Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

He was talking about Canelo.

Now why do you think that Canelo would have walked down Hearns?

Why did you mention Marvin having knocked out Hearns?

Can you not see that that is completely irrelevant due to the fact that Canelo didn’t fight in that aggressive manner?

If he stood off of Floyd in 2013, what makes you believe that the same version of Canelo could have beaten a prime Hearns?

There’s absolutely no logic to that opinion.

 

Reread the thread.

Canelo might have weighed more than Hagler, but he would never have jumped on Hearns and gone to war with him like Hagler did.

The version of Canelo who fought Floyd was a young, pre-prime Canelo.

Therefore, predicting a win for Canelo over Hearns, based on the fact that Hagler knocked him out, means nothing.

Barkley and Rondon knocking out Hearns is also irrelevant too. Why? Because Canelo didn’t possess their style, size and attributes.

You have to accept the fact that although it was a great performance by Floyd, Canelo wasn’t a great fighter back then. And if he wouldn’t press Floyd, he damn sure wouldn’t have pressed Hearns either.

George is right.

Hearns would have both hurt and beaten the specific version of Canelo who Floyd fought.

 

Personally I wouldn't make the prediction that Canelo would walk down Hearns, but it wasn't much in Hagler's performance against Duran that suggested he would either. Those things aren't always that simple.

 

I understand that. But Marvin proved on many occasions that he could go to war if he wanted/needed to.

Canelo just never fought that.

He would never have fought Hearns aggressively.

 

He never went to was like he did against Hearns before that. He was very much working off the jab. Vito actually got the better of him when they traded in the pocket.

 

He still fought when he needed to. It was always an option for him. Both as orthodox and as a southpaw.

Canelo has never really fought, and he didn’t back when he fought Floyd in 2013.

There’s just no way that he’d have fought Hearns in an aggressive manner.

 

If you’re looking at a hypothetical fantasy fight at JMW, then you can only choose the version of Canelo who fought there.

That specific version stood off of Floyd all night long and barely beat Trout and Lara.

It wasn’t the same version who is now in his prime, who has recently beaten Kovalev and Saunders at SMW-LHW.

If you want to discuss a hypothetical fight at the higher weights, then that’s cool.

The higher up you go, the more chance Canelo would have had.

Today’s prime version of Canelo would have been a real handful for the faded versions of Hearns who fought from SMW-CW.

The specific version of Canelo who fought Floyd would have had zero chance against a prime version of a Hearns at JMW.

 

Canelo wasn’t in his prime when he was at JMW.

It doesn’t matter what he weighed in the ring.

What did he weigh in the ring against Floyd?

He was significantly heavier.

It wasn’t an advantage to him though, as he never imposed his strength. Once again, he just stood off of Floyd without pressing him at all.

So that same version or any other version of him who fought at JMW, wouldn’t have bothered Hearns.

It’s just silly to think otherwise.

He just wasn’t that great when he was at JMW.

No version of Canelo at JMW was as good as the version of Benitez who fought Hearns.

 

I'd say they were both the boxer puncher type, working in the middle of the ring. Canelo looked unusually timid against Floyd and Hagler against Duran.

Not that young Canelo was as good as Hagler, of course, but i just don't think Hagler was more aggressive really. The Hearns fight was an anamoly.

And you won't agree because you won't give Floyd or his opponents anything, so I'll end it there from my part.

 

Marvin was much more aggressive in some of his fights than what Canelo was back then.

Canelo is a counter puncher.

He never fought like Marvin did against Minter and Hearns.

How was Hearns an anomaly?

What about when he went to war with John Mugabi?

When did Canelo fight like that?


Don’t imply that I’m biased. There’s only one guy who’s biased here. That’s No Neck.

What have I said in the thread which you dispute or have an issue with?

Tell me and we’ll debate it.

Floyd was a great fighter.

He put on an absolute masterclass against Canelo at 36.

Apart from the unnecessary C-W, Floyd deserves huge credit for the win.

The only thing I have issues with his No Neck’s blatant bias and lack of knowledge.


He mocks Duran for losing to guys who Floyd would never have dared fought.

He brings up Duran’s low blows etc, yet then turns a blind eye to Floyd’s IV.

He thinks that Floyd’s win over Canelo is on the same level as Duran’s win over Leonard.

He saw Canelo stand off of Floyd, yet implies that he could have knocked out Hearns.

The guy’s absolutely deluded.

He told me last year that Floyd would probably have beaten Marvin Hagler.