Thoughts on Bartley Gorman... Educate me.

The consensus is:

Dan was a very strong and tough fighter.


He beat Ireland’s ‘Big Joe’ Joyce who was also classed as a formidable fighter back in the 70’s and 80’s. Apparently, they had a great fight but Dan won after Joyce broke his foot/leg and couldn’t continue.

His most famous fight was against Aney McGinley, the one that was famously filmed in 1990 in Crossmaglen. I’m sure you’ve seen on it on YouTube. It never reached its conclusion, with both guys claiming victory. Although to me, Dan clearly got the best of it.

 

Genuine hard men.

One of our close family friends is from Middlesbrough and he was born in 1965.

So he’s roughly the same age as what Horsley is and what Duffy would have been.


There’s some interesting things on Berwick here:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...=2ahUKEwiv35HCxdD2AhVSecAKHUSbCUMQ6AF6BAgaEAM

 

I’ve got mixed up here.

Lee did go to the Hacienda in Manchester, but I was thinking about the running battles that he used to have in Middlesbrough, with the staff of the Club Bongo.

The tales are recounted by people in Jamie Boyle’s books on Lee Duffy.

 

Could you describe in detail the stylistic differences, and the reasons for them?

 

Speaking of styles, have you seen the Rooney-McGinley fight?

It was a strange style of Dan’s.

Or so I thought.

 

I haven't, no.

 

Thanks chap.

 

How come there wasn't a rematch between Dan & McGinley? And was McGinley a good fighter himself?

 

I’m not sure why.

Aney McGinley was a good fighter in his day. He was skilful.

He fought Henry Francis when Francis was very young. But like so many fights, that didn’t reach its conclusion, as apparently, Francis’ mother was screaming for it to be stopped.

The only other fights I’ve seen of McGinley’s, is the one against Joe Joyce from about 10-15 years ago.

Joyce had been retired for years and he must have been about 60 years old. He was terribly out of shape, and McGinley was in his 50’s I believe. Their egos lead them to fight. Thinking about it, they may have had a rematch. It was a big shock at the time. Nobody could believe it because they were so old and out of shape. But from the little action there was, Joyce seemed to have gotten the better of things. But just like in 1990, McGinley and his family claimed victory.

It was quite sad really, but you could tell that Joyce used to be a handful when he was younger.

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Let me think about how to explain it. I just came back from the gym.

 

Is it believable that in a street fight Bartley Gorman could of taken the Heavyweights of his time like Ali, Foreman, Frazier or Holmes?

 

Does anyone remember Joe Savage ? In 1994 he was, apparently, the bare knuckle Heavyweight Champion of Britain. In what must have been a slow news Summer, Savage started to get some traction not only in the tabloid press but also in some of the more serious minded newspapers too.
As the attention grew, so did Savage's quotes and claims. He claimed a record of 42 wins all by KO. He was unbeatable. He would fight Frank Bruno and Lennox Lewis on the same night and knock them both out.
Denied a pro licence in the UK, Savage managed to get a licence in the States, Mississippi I think, and somehow landed a fight with fading contender, "Smokin" Bert Cooper.
The moment of truth is on Youtube.

 

Thanks. Joyce Is mental! Lol. A proper character.

 

It’s just impossible to say isn’t it.

I would say that it’s certainly believable though.

Again, they’re not street fights.

Anything can happen in a street fight.

This is bare knuckle boxing with no straps, under traditional rules.

No rounds.

A man wins if his opponent quits or gets stopped/knocked out.

It’s just a different sport.

You’d fancy some of the greatest warriors of all time to have been good at it, but there’s just no way of knowing.

Their output and technique would had to have been different. Their pace would also had to have been different, as there were no rounds.

I’ve read about some bare knuckle fights that went on for 2 hours.

 

I’ve never heard of him. I’ll look into him.

Thanks.