AJ Announcement

“Announcement soon come ”

Joshua:

"I'm not that good and Eddie Hearn is a liar"

Hardly breaking news is it? Could have told you that last week.

 

Mate, it's the usual AJ haters. That's all.

Go on any other Boxing forum. There's no hate for AJ like there is here.

 

AJ doesn't have any dominant elite level wins himself and Wilder never lost to a scrub, let alone get knocked down 4 times and quit.

"Irrespective of the Matchroom narrative, it’s far less plausible to me that Wilder was ducking AJ than the reverse. Martin, Wlad and Parker all wanted to fight AJ first and foremost as an AJ fight (and potential rematch) generated the most money, status (especially after the Wlad unification) and interest, while Wilder by contrast was at least equally high risk for relatively low reward. Hearn wanted to acquire all of the other belts from a coterie of weaker and less dangerous opponents (paper champ Martin, 41 year old, 17 months inactive, no win in 2 years, dethroned Wlad, Joey twelve Parker) to gain maximum leverage in negotiations while letting the Wilder rivalry simmer and public interest build à la Mayweather-Pacquiao, before potentially cashing AJ out. This served additional purposes in narrowing AJ’s relative experience deficit and aging the 4 years older Wilder out, to take the edge off his speed and explosiveness. Hearn also wanted either Wilder or Fury to eliminate the other from the title picture, which reduced the incentive to match AJ with one of them first. Collecting the IBF, WBA and WBO belts and fighting relatively easy but highly lucrative “mandatories” (though not dangerous southpaw Ortiz) in domestic stadium fights also enabled Hearn/AJ to duck ATG KO artist WBC champion Wilder for the time being (further hoping that he would slip up and lose his belt, ideally to AJ’s bodyguard and Matchroom agent Whyte, which would then enable them to avoid Wilder altogether) by making unreasonable demands for home/A-side advantage, one-way rematch clauses and 70-30 splits, then blame Wilder when the negotiations inevitably fell through and cite Wilder’s “lack of unifications” and “weak opposition” (including mutual title defence opponents Molina and Breazeale) to create a superficially plausible narrative of a cowardly Wilder running scared from “throwback fighter” AJ to such an extent that he would turn down a practically unlimited amount of money to fight him.

While Wilder was brought along much more slowly in his professional career than AJ (partly due to having only 3 years in boxing compared to AJ’s 6 before turning pro and making his pro debut at 23 rather than 24) this reduced the risk of Wilder being the victim of a disastrous upset, which have befallen many heavily hyped prospects in recent years. For example, take AJ’s soul-crushing KO loss to unknown 25-1 underdog Andy Ruiz (Arreola 2.0 but fatter) which further delayed any undisputed fight. However, since 2018, no one in the sport of boxing has faced tougher and more dangerous competition than Wilder (Ortiz, Fury, Breazeale, Ortiz, Fury, Fury). A clue to Wilder being the opponent that AJ feared most in 2018 was A-side AJ’s admission that he didn’t worry about being outskilled/outpointed (and why would you when you always fight at home with fixed scorecards and bodyguard referees? Though he since managed to lose this way anyway) but “I always think about that one punch”. Who has the biggest punch in boxing? And aside from power, who has the best chin between AJ and Wilder? The most heart? The most confidence? All of this paints a clear picture of what was really going on."

 

When Joshua lost to Usyk, Hearn said the rematch would be February.
After all his "overseas bulking", is he now clear to sign a contract?

 

Wilder most notable wins

Ortiz x2

AJs most notable wins
Wlad
Povetkin
Whyte
Parker
Ruiz
Pulev

These 6 AJ opponents all have better records than Ortiz. Both Ortiz and Wilder have turned down offers to fight AJ(In Wilder's case, multiple times).

Wilder has the more powerful right but he telegraph's it a mile away. AJ is technically superior, can box on the back foot (which Wilder can't to save his life), good counter puncher, superior combination puncher, better variety of punches, better uppercut, better defence, better footwork and better chin.

 

Luis Ortiz was officially under 39 when he fought Wilder, active, 28-0 with 26/28 inside the distance and had never been knocked down. Many fighters ducked him before and after, including Ruiz, Whyte, Takam and Joyce. Hearn didn't want AJ fighting him either.

The Ortiz that fought Martin (who came to win was vastly more experienced in boxing than the version that dived against AJ) was officially 42.75, virtually 25 months inactive, 32-2, had been heavily knocked down 4 times and had 2 KO defeats to Wilder.

It's like claiming that Ali was crap because of his poor performance against Spinks, except Spinks did at least beat Ali, while Martin got hit so hard by a shot and hurt Ortiz that he had no idea where he was.

Anyway, the threat that the opponent poses should be a big part of the quality of the win. The likes of Breazeale and washed up quitter Molina (two of AJ and Wilder's absolute worst defences) green Martin, past prime Carlito Takam, Joey twelve Parker, Rice Pudding Jr. x2 and pudding Pulev, all at home (barring Rice Pudding Jr. 2) with fixed scorecards and bodyguard referees, were barely any more dangerous (if at all) than the likes of Washington, Duhaupas, Stiverne, Szpilka and Arreola. AJ did manage to lose to one of his bums and Wilder didn't but that's not because Rice Pudding Jr. is much good, it's because AJ was a hypejob who got exposed. Usyk, faded versions of Wlad and to a lesser extent Povetkin were dangerous but so were the five fights with Ortiz and Fury.

 

Who is Wilders elite level win?

 

Somebody doesn't watch the news.

 

I didn't claim that he had one or try to define "elite".

Wilder's best win is an officially sub-39 Ortiz in a war, who was a highly skilled and experienced 28-0 southpaw power puncher and had never been knocked down.

AJ's best win is a 41+, 17 months inactive, winless in 2 years, schooled and dethroned in his previous fight Wlad (who had been knocked down something like a dozen times) in a life and death war.

Ortiz and Wlad shared a common opponent in Jennings around that time, who Ortiz outboxed and destroyed in 7 while Wlad also outboxed the undefeated Jennings, taking fewer risks and less damage but went the 12 round distance.

I regard AJ's win over Wlad as the better win, though the other factors greatly reduce the margins. But AJ has by far the worst loss between them.

 

You also forgot to mention Ortiz turned down the chance to fight both Whyte and AJ.

Whilst Ortizs only notable wins are Jennings and Martin (that he went life and death with) proves that he extremely overrated and the myth of him being boogeyman when he turns down fights against top opponents just goes to show it's aload bollocks.

 

Neither had Joseph Parker ever been knocked down.

Before fighting Wilder, Ortiz produced laclustre performances against Malik Scott and Dave Allen. Being active is good, but being active against D level fighters isn't.

 

"Luis Ortiz was officially under 39 when he fought Wilder, active, 28-0 with 26/28 inside the distance and had never been knocked down. Many fighters ducked him before and after, including Ruiz, Whyte, Takam and Joyce. Hearn didn't want AJ fighting him either.

The Ortiz that fought Martin (who came to win was vastly more experienced in boxing than the version that dived against AJ) was officially 42.75, virtually 25 months inactive, 32-2, had been heavily knocked down 4 times and had 2 KO defeats to Wilder.

It's like claiming that Ali was crap because of his poor performance against Spinks, except Spinks did at least beat Ali, while Martin got hit so hard by a shot and hurt Ortiz that he had no idea where he was."

Whyte vanished as soon as Ortiz clapped back and Ortiz signed with Matchroom to fight AJ but the fight wasn't forthcoming as AJ had a fine collection of puddings to fight instead, who could be sold to the mugs as "top 10 fighters".

 

Solid assessment, Big Josh was always a marketing triumph of packaging over content.

 

Joey twelve Parker has a good chin but he's absolutely toothless. He KO's no one, not even late sub COJANU in NZ. Pathetic!

Dave Allen? You mean the same Dave Allen who went 10 rounds with Whyte, who Ortiz stopped for the first time in his career in 7? The same Dave Allen who said that Ortiz was better than Whyte?

 

You are basically right but the first Wilder Fury bout was not a draw. Anyone who thinks that it was a draw doesn't have a clue how to score a bout. Fury was robbed of the win.