Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    Me being biased?

    Are you actually serious?

    After all of the horse manure that you’ve posted?

    You’re too much.


    Canelo was pre-prime when he fought Floyd.

    Every knowledgeable person is aware of that.


    You are absolutely obsessed with statistics.

    Oh, he had 40 odd fights?

    Brilliant!

    Against who??


    Who had he beaten before he fought Floyd?


    He hadn’t even fought Lara at that point.

    He’d fought Ryan Rhodes, Cintron, Baldomir, an old Shane and Trout.


    So what exactly are you arguing about?


    The only reason why you say that Canelo was prime, is because you want to elevate Floyd’s win over him.
     
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  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Name the fighters, sir.

    Btw Trout was at his very best and just beaten Cotto, and Alfonso Gomez and Josesito were also solid, prime scalps.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Stop embarrassing yourself.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo would lose every round to Benitez at 152.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You're no authority.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Would Floyd have remained undefeated had he have fought Duran’s opposition?

    Yes or no?
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Maybe, not counting fighting into his forties. Zero chance of eight loses by age 38 though.
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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    Benitez was a better junior middle than Mayweather ever was, especially at 36 years old.

    Canelo gets outclassed, by a far superior fighter.
     
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  9. NoNeck

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    Benitez was not better than Floyd.

    Canelo beat Lara, Trout, Plant, and Saunders. Benitez never beat someone like Canelo.
     
  10. cuchulain

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    Leonard fought the fight he planned to fight.
    He fought the fight he and Angelo prepared for.

    And Duran beat him without controversy.

    That win is greater than any win on Floyd's resume.

    ( IMO, Both Leonard and Duran of Montreal beat any version of Floyd).


    In addition, Duran's win over Iran Barkley is also better than any Floyd win.
     
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  11. cuchulain

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    There is one area where Floyd was better than Duran.

    He was better at picking which opponents to fight and when to fight them.
     
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  12. NoNeck

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    The statement about the Leonard fight is reasonable, but a lot of it ultimately chalks up to Leonard having a dumb gameplan.

    The Barkley statement is horse****. Duran basically scraped by a top 5 middleweight who got outclassed by many other fighters and was about Floyd’s age when Floyd washed Canelo. That is not an objective viewpoint.
     
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  13. Mod-Mania

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    Let's look at those 8 losses then:

    De Jesús - Yes Floyd most likely beats him but he was certainly no slouch and was more than capable of giving Floyd something to think about
    Leonard - Beats Mayweather IMO
    Hearns - As above
    Benitez - I struggle to pick a winner between him and Floyd at 147, 50-50
    Hagler - Definitely beats Mayweather, destroys him.
    Laing - Floyd beats him without a doubt
    Sims - Floyd should beat him easy on paper but he was much bigger man
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    @Loudon

    If you look at the odds for Mayweather’s fights starting with with Genaro, and calculate the probability of him going to his 50th fight undefeated, you end up with a probability that approaches zero. Either Floyd had one in a thousand luck or the oddsmakers wildly underestimated him for his whole career.

    Maybe that’s what everyone is still doing on fantasy fights and 50-0 against that level of comp is almost impossible unless head and shoulders better than everyone else.

    This is why Floyd would beat Benitez every time.
     
  15. Loudon

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    When you look at Floyd and how great his career was, it’s just impossible to envisage him losing 8 fights.

    However, the same could have been said for Roy Jones.

    If Roy had retired after Ruiz, nobody could have believed that he could have ended up with 9 losses on his resume.

    It depends on the circumstances.

    It depends on the timeline.

    It depends on the quality of the opponents that you face.


    However, Floyd was just so great, I can’t see the 8 losses. Not at all. Because as well as being exceptional, he was also so disciplined and professional. But you still have to factor in those extra fights.

    Could Floyd have fought 119 times like Duran?

    Could he physically have fought that many times?

    If we look up to the age of Duran being 38, that’s still 92 fights.

    So could Floyd have fought the 92 fights that Duran did?

    Could he physically have done it?

    Could he honestly have remained undefeated?


    Of course, we’ll never know the answers to these questions. But it’s fun to ponder and it’s something that you personally should think of, before you break out the stats and mock people for losing whilst concentrating on an undefeated record, which had 42 LESS fights against much EASIER opposition.
     
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