Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Question - You say Pac dominates Duran in the first two categories (most important you claim) yet Duran has more wins in category no. 1. How did Pac "dominate" that category?
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    I repeatedly get the sense that you dont really watch boxing outside of decades old stuff on YouTube.

    Duran's career ran hot and cold after Montreal and I've seen posters here question his motivation and preparation for Benitez. The name value of the win exceeds the level of the win. The Cervantes win is a totally different level.

    If Benitez had to face Lara's opposition, I see him edging Williams, Vanes, and Trout, losing competitively by dec or late TKO to Canelo, beating Ishe in the worst fight of all time, and then getting his ass beat by Delvin Rodriguez and permanently exiting the top 10. Basically, he couldn't replicate what Lara did at 154 but Lara could replicate Benitez's best years at 154.
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    15 wins to 10 with an admission of steroid use by Duran in the second Viruet fight.
     
  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I get the sense you've never watched a fight before 2000 with an open mind. If at all.

    No, you've seen people question Duran's motivation for the Benitez fight because he lost so clearly. If anything, that, Moore or the Hagler fight were the fights Duran came in best shape for above welterweight. He'd have pummeled the likes of Williams or Trout that night. Although yes, we're in agreement. The Cervantes win is a better win. Which is an excellent point, Benitez's entire career also completely shows the difference in calibre between him and Lara. And no, if Benitez had fought his whole career at 154 like Lara did, he'd beat pretty much every one of Lara's opponents and the vasy majority wouldn't even be competitive. He'd batter Vanes and school Trout and Williams. Canelo couldn't get anywhere with Mayweather, he wouldn't get anywhere with Benitez. Easy decision win. Delvin Rodriguez? Are you having a laugh?

    Lara isn't going the distance with Hearns buddy, nor is he beating Duran.
     
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  5. Loudon

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    How on earth do you form these opinions?


    Canelo hardly touched Floyd.

    Again, he stood off of him and wouldn’t pressure him.

    He just waited and waited.

    Floyd beat him EASILY.


    So how does that same version of Canelo beat or stop Benitez, when Benitez was even bigger than Floyd and just as great??


    You are living in a fantasy.


    Lara beating Duran and causing Hearns issues?

    Really?
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Because he was closer to Lara's level than Floyd's.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    You have a lot of confidence in a guy who drew with Harold Weston and escaped with a SD over Bruce Curry due to the ten point must system not being used (dropped three times) at his best weight.

    Maybe Benitez was the sort of guy who only only looked great on the right night against the right opponent.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    I have a lot of confidence in a master boxer and bonafide all-time great, who managed to beat another all-time great as a teenanger. You have a lot of confidence in a guy who's claim to fame is being too negative to win his biggest fights, and his best win is nothing more than a footnote in a weak era.
     
  9. Loudon

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    Benitez?

    Why don’t you ever take into account how they’d realistically have matched up stylistically?

    Why would the version of Canelo who Floyd fought, have fought Benitez aggressively?

    If he wouldn’t press Floyd, why would he have pressed Benitez?

    What is your opinion based upon?
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Lol and using phrases like "master boxer" and words like "bonafide." That's some Burt Sugar ****.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    The size difference between Canelo and Benitez is like when Canelo fought Khan. Benitez was a same day era welterweight who moved up.

    Benitez wasn't Floyd. Floyd backed off all sorts of guys with lead right hands, counter rights, and jabs to the body.

    There is error in taking Canelo's worst performance out of like 60 fights and assuming he'd look like that against an undersized guy who was a lot sloppier than Floyd.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you don't think Benitez was an all-time great or a master boxer, we're done here.
     
  13. Journeyman92

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    @NoNeck Wait, what's your evidence that Duran used PEDs? sorry, I am not reading through this entire soon to be 100 page thread.
     
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  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    Mm. All time great is a bit of a stretch, master boxer too... I guess my standards are higher. He was very, very good not great in my opinion.
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    That's ridiculous. Of course he was a great fighter.