Who's the George Foreman of the middleweight divisions?

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't go quite as far to say "very high level of boxing" even though I haven't seen the fights, by all accounts Ralph Ward and Dennis Minton outboxed McClellan.

    Put it this way if McClellan didn't have his awesome power, could he have outboxed Julian Jackson ? I don't think so. He beat Jackson because his chin better, and he beat him in a fire fight.

    I'm not saying he didn't have some decent technical skills, but very high level ? No not at all for me he wasn't no master boxer.
     
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  2. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

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    Well Milton wasnt a bad fighter really,just didnt have the right oieces falling into place in his career.
    Ward is a puzzling one.
    But lets remember he was young when those happened and by his own account Manny Steward mentioned he wasnt giving him the necessary attention in training.After that he thought he had an all tike great with the right guidance.
    He wasnt a master boxer but he had good balance and punch placement.He set up his body shots beautifully,he didnt waste many punches and his punches were straight.
    He disnfall in love with his power and altough he was winning you could notice his patience and feeling was more to bang abd get force the KO under Stan Johnson than before with Manny.
     
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  3. fbear

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    Well, I think Sugar Ray`s devastating knockout of Donny Lalonde was pretty heavy handed. I still remember the thud as Lolonde hit the canvas.
     
  4. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yea, this makes sense... stay safe buddy.
     
  5. AlwaysFirst

    AlwaysFirst Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree, McClellan was good boxer, but I also admit I need to rewatch some of his fights because I honestly don’t remember them that well. I remember I used to hate on him because he KO’d Jackson 2x
     
  6. heerko koois

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    John Mugabi
     
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  7. JamesLightsOutToney

    JamesLightsOutToney Respect to all boxers Full Member

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    Do you know how much he weighted on fight night?
     
  8. rodxd

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    foreman had a good jab and a sick control game / long guard
     
  9. Sooncreate3

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    If you are asking who is the George Foreman of the middleweight division, let's first define George Foreman in the heavyweight division. He was locked in the All Time Top 10 Heavyweight List for decades (ppl probably voted him as a top 10 heavyweight since the 1980s) without much change and stylistically, is seen as a somewhat crude but historically devastating knockout artist. If I were to apply that definition to the middleweight division, I'm going with Stanley Ketchel. Why you might ask? First, he was a Top 10 Middleweight for decades (probably since the 1920s) and some people still include Ketchel in their Top 10 Middleweight List. Second, he is also seen as a crude but powerful knockout artist that has the power to knock down heavyweights like Jack Johnson. Third, you can argue that he had a big comeback like George Foreman when he knocked out Billy Papke in their 3rd fight to regain the middleweight title after being knocked out himself.
     
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  10. weepaul

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    Graziano was heavy handed in a clubbing Foreman type of style. Good enough to club Sugar Ray to the deck about 30 seconds before Ray dummied him.
    He might have made a great light middleweight champ as he weighed 154 or less for most of his fights.
    Just born in the wrong decade...

    GGG doesn’t have The Tommy Hearns turn your lights out with one right hand type of KO power but EVERY punch he throws has that horrible jarring effect...
     
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  11. The G-Man

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    At middleweight toward the end of his run it s mentioned he was 176.
     
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  12. The G-Man

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    Good call
     
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  13. Robney

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    Reports were somewhere in the mid 180's. Some suggest him doing that was what eventually lead to the tragedy, something to do with brain fluid and expansion of the brain.
     
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  14. JamesLightsOutToney

    JamesLightsOutToney Respect to all boxers Full Member

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    Mid 180s is a lot to drain from. That would make sense
     
  15. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    It's hard to directly compare as heavyweights can weigh as much as they like. Middles can't.

    McClellan was not really a middleweight - he was at least a light heavy.

    Julian Jackson's power at middle was right up there but not the same type of power as Foreman.

    Triple G is probably the closest in the fact that he has thudding power that hurts with every shot.

    Sounds very Foremanish to me.