#3 ATG HW survey?

For sure you do...

 

Tyson obliterates anyone pre 1950s

 

He didn't obliterate even the best opponents he faced, outside of washed up Holmes coming out of retirement.

 

Cause he wasn't in his prime when he faced them.
Plus his best opponents are lightyears better than anyone pre 1950.

 

Top 15 HWs usually don't lose fights at their absolute peaks, so it's a moot point. The sheer fact that he was done after a few years shows his lack of versatility.

 

Douglas lights better than Louis? I don't buy that.

 

No, it simply shows he lacked motivation.

 

That version of Douglas mops the floor with Louis.

 

It's cute to believe that Tyson didn't have motivation to beat Holyfield in rematch.

Your irrational opinion doesn't bring any value here. You are unable to even explain your opinion, but you can give a try.

 

But Archie Moore took him out.

 

True. But he's the closest Marciano came to not fighting a major opponent who might've been a threat.

 

I'd be delighted to hear the explanation, too.

 

No, Muhammad Ali is it not.

Where are Gene Tunney, James J. Jeffries, John L. Sullivan, Riddick Bowe, Vitaly Klitschko and Jack Dempsey?
They are clearly superior to Tommy Burns, Joe Frazier, Wladimir Klitschko and Evander Holyfield.

 

Marciano would lose points if Valdez was waiting years on end for a title shot like Dempsey did to Wills with that 7 year wait. But Valdez did get the number 1 rank, and not LONG after he nab it, lost it to Moore. During all that Marciano was facing Don for a test run for his nose from the Charles fight. So I can not really knock points off here. Valdez just became the number 1 contender on bad timing if you think about it.