70s Foreman was a bit overrated IMO

Your agenda is that he just got lucky, had favorable matchups and match making, just happened to be a big guy with a big punch and no technique, got exposed whenever he stepped up, etc.

If he was this lucky, carefully managed guy relying on raw power, he certainly wouldn't have lasted as long as he did, let alone made a comeback in his 40's. I call it an agenda because these are the exact same talking points people make when they want to bash a fighter: all negativity, zero praise. Excuses for the opponents, none for them.

 

Hm. How do you rate him compared to Ingo, Patterson, Leon Spinks, Michael Spinks, Briggs, Moorer, Bowe, and Rahman?

 

Ok, so you're just an honest hater, gotcha.

Like I said, you can tear apart anyone's resume with these exact same talking points. It's really not difficult to do.

Still not sure where are all these so called fanboys who are overrating him or claiming he's invincible h2h.

 

Interesting. So by overrated, you mean Foreman's a tier above the worst guys, but a level below Bowe (who is himself viewed as a fringe great.)

How about Vitali and Walcott?

 

So I am blind because I don't think Norton is low IQ fighter with no defense? Or maybe there is something wrong with your evalutation?

 

Video proof of a fighter (Foreman) using his best assets
(His physicality/brute strength) . Some may see it as
"Poor technique" what I see is Dick Sadler, Sandy
Saddler and Archie Moore being wise enough to
train a fighter to take advantages of his best assets.
Unlike trainers today who try to train all their fighters
to fight like May Jr. And not allow them to use what
may be best for them.
Foreman doesn't get the credit deserved for his
skill level. Watching even that highlight demonstrate
a strong snapped jab. (Not pushed or
telegraphed like Wilder does) power in both hands
straight, hook, or uppercut. Unorthodox but very
effective defensive technique, angles.... It's
all their on film.
He wasn't prime Ali on his feet, but it was effective for
what he did best. One can argue his skills at
cutting the ring off, making his opponents fight
in a small box were the best in heavyweight
history, cutting the ring off is a very underrated
skill.
Foreman prior to Ali wasn't overrated.
But underrated for his skills..
Also some use the Young and Lyle fights
as some indication of him being overrated.
I see a fighter stripped of his aura of invincibility,
and not as committed to his craft as he was prior
to Ali. Also a serious underestimation of Lyle and
Young who in my opinion both beat Wilder.

 

In the last Foreman thread, he was making excuses for literally all of Foreman’s best wins, but when I bring up Foreman’s mental health post Ali, and him arriving in Puerto Rico less than 24 hours before the Young fight, the guy accuses me of making excuses. what a clown

This thread, like the poster who created it, is hot garbage and I’m very shocked nobody besides you and maybe 1 or 2 others have called op out on his clear agenda.

 

Norton was not a slow low IQ fighter? Where in the hell did you get that from? Norton had the reflexes to intercept almost every punch Ali threw and arguably went 2-1 against him in the trilogy, in one of those fights we saw one of the best conditioned versions we ever saw of a 70's Ali in their 2nd fight, Norton could box beautifully.

 

Fraizer and Norton were elite and relatively smart fighters. They just didnt do good on the backfoot. They weren't low IQ no way. Foreman himself was had good ring iq

But that being said i do find him to be a bit overrated, just imo. Simply because the consensus of the forum is that prime Foreman runs through pretty much everyone in history besides the 2 guys he lost to in his own era. I mean from what I've seen Chris Byrd or Usyk could certainly give prime Foreman serious problems, maybe Mercer or Ibeabuchi as well. Prime Wladimir Klitschko and Lennox Lewis have a very good chance despite what people say. Larry Holmes would be a big favorite im my eyes. It's also questionable how Foreman would do against a heavy handed superheavyweight with crisp infighting skills like Riddick Bowe. Fury has a good chance too although if Fury struggles with Whyte then i will most certainly change my opinion on that.

I mean this is all just my thoughts. Feel free to disagree. No doubt was Foreman a powerful monster in his prime