Gennady Golovkin: Tell me about him

he's like the 4th or 5th goat middleweight

He beats most of them. except hopkins, monzon.

he hits hard but it was overblown by the amount of low level guys he was knocking out

david lemieux

canelo 1 and 2.

canelo 1 and 2 and jacobs and chenko

 

He lives in a pineapple under the sea

& he beat Canelo

 

Prime Hagler? No chance

I would love to see kell brook box the ears off Hagler for a few rounds lol

 

Who the hell did Kell Brook ever beat. Nobody. Bum dosser.

 

My point exactly and he looked like Ray Leonard in there with GGG

 

That's quite the interpretation.

I saw GGG just milling forward like usual with no respect for his power knowing he'd crack like a peanut eventually. What use it is looking good in spurts for an opponent who is doing whatever he likes. Full control. GGG could have beaten Brook without a training camp.

 

I saw it the same way. Not that Brook didn't offer any challenge or what, but he certainly didn't box GGG's ears of. Golovkin didn't suffer any significant damage and he knew he just had to keep going forward to get the win

 

yes he beats hagler

 

I wouldn't have him high, not at all. His résumé is frankly pathetic compared to any great middleweight, and his nine title defences aren't really enough. Prior to Daniel Jacobs, it's quite easy to view GGG's title reign in a similar way to how most view Wilder's - the numbers don't mean much just because the names they're based off are so poor. I'd personally have him in the early 40s, but that's without take H2H into consideration at all.

He'd do pretty well. Personally, I think he's either in, or just below that second tier of middleweight greats. If guys like Monzon, Hopkins, Jones and Hagler make up tier one; and guys like Toney, McCallum, Tiger, LaMotta, etc; make up tier two, GGG is around that level, but probably just slightly below those IMO. He does bring some massive advantages to the table though, like massive power, excellent fundamentals and a granite chin. He's not easy for anyone outside of that first tier.

I have never ranked pound-for-pound punchers far enough to include GGG, but he's a collosal puncher.

His best performances are pretty much anything between 2013 & 2015. He pretty much blew everybody away with ease around that time. I'm specifically impressed by the Geale, Rosado and Murray fights. Sheer destruction.

His best fights are Canelo II & Derevyanchanko.

His closest fights are Canelo I & II, Jacobs and Derevyanchanko. He either won or lost all of them, depending on who you listen to. I personally scored all four of them six rounds for six, although he dropped both Jacobs and Derevyanchanko, meaning I had him winning those two fights.

 

He beats Hagler but doesn't beat Billy Joe Saunders?

 

Who did Hagler beat that was as good as GGG at middleweight?

 

You underestimate Hagler's boxing ability.

Hagler was a very smart boxer. A very intelligent man in a boxing ring which is often overlooked because he was such a war horse.

He beats all of these chumps. GGG, Clenelo, Amir Khan you name it.

 

Nobody.

What point were you trying to make?