Is Fury HOF worthy?

Breazeale is very limited but he's a big tough lump who can punch, with stoppage victories over Lenroy Thomas, Mansour, 17-0 Ugonoh and a Molina who came to fight. He also took an aggressive pre-Wlad AJ 6.5 rounds, which Soko would struggle to do. Soko's biggest problem is that he doesn't have the power to take matters into his own hands, he's always at the mercy of the judges. Breazeale can beat faster and more skilled opponents (up to a point) over 12 rounds simply because he has the size, power, toughness and determination to impose himself on them.

Wallin's performance against Breazeale in America didn't compare too badly to AJ's in Britain. Wallin lacks power but he outlanded Breazeale more than 2-1, almost pitched a shutout against a sluggish but relentless pressure fighter and took very few flush shots. If Chisora could beat Breazeale by such a margin, that would be right up there with his best wins. Takam and Scott were both ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppages, with Chisora taking a lot of punishment as he trundled forward. Chisora's fights against Whyte and Parker were very close but how good are they? Whyte blatantly ducked Wallin even though he had home/A-side advantage, needed an activity fight and Wallin isn't a puncher. So they were clearly worried that Wallin might well be good enough to go one better than Chisora.

 

36 to 40, oh, sorry about that "gross exaggeration" from my post. Welcome to the internet bud. Ive watched Cunninghams career, was known as a fanboy on here, I am confident in my opinions. Its okay for you to be in the minority with your thoughts on Fury and double standards.

 

Wlad and Wilder x3 take up the top 4 spots
There are arguments for Cunningham, Wallin and Chisora 2 next

Cunningham and Wallin did much better against Fury than Chisora
Cunningham was away from home for Fury, Wallin and Chisora were neutral
Cunningham was a 2x cruiserweight world champion, Wallin and Chisora were merely contenders
Cunningham and Chisora 2 had both fought at a much higher level than Wallin did prior to fighting Fury but Wallin was undefeated
Cunningham has wins over Huck in Germany by KO, Wlod in Poland, Jones in America & Mansour in America, 6 unambiguous losses (1 KO)
Wallin has the win over Breazeale in America, 1 unambiguous loss (0 KO)
Chisora has KO wins over Takam in Britain and Scott in Britain and a UD over Johnson in Britain, 9 unambiguous losses (3 KO)
Chisora is definitely the biggest puncher of the three

Personally I'd have Cunningham at 5 or 6 (or 3-4, if Wlad and Wilder x3 are counted as two opponents). On achievement Cunningham should be 5th currently but Wallin has the potential to rise.

 

Ah I see. You're a Cunningham fan so you want to delegitimise to loss to Fury by claiming he was much older and lighter than he actually was. The cruiserweight division got a reputational boost ever since the much smaller near 35 year old Usyk schooled AJ in Britain; big weight differences at HW are not equivalent to lightweights fighting light heavies.

4 months before 2x cruiser champ Cunningham fought Fury, he had been robbed of avenging the loss he received from Adamek at 32. A year after Fury KO'd Cunningham, Cunningham beat 20-0 Mansour. A year after that, he was robbed against Glazkov. And a year after that at 39.5, he went the 12 round distance with and outlanded the 25-0 cruiser champ Glowacki, who in his previous fight had KO'd a near 31 year old long-reigning cruiser champ Huck. Cunningham was in good form when he fought Fury and many HW's find fast, non-weight cutting cruisers to be more difficult opponents than the likes of Chisora or Ruiz.

 

You forgot his win over Klitschko.

 

Am i the only one here not totally sold on Tyson Fury ? i have to be honest i'm not really a big fan of any of the Heavyweight's currently, i'm more into the lower weight classes.

But there's always been some question marks for me surrounding Fury, he got a gift vs McDermott in their 1st fight i'm sorry there's no way Fury won that fight. And yes Fury did beat him in the rematch more convincing, but it wasn't an easy fight and Fury looked exhausted at the end.

Then Fury was heavily floored and wobbled by some unknown fighter, called "Pajkic" who i've never heard of.

Heavily dropped by an old Cruiserweight Steve Cunningham, and even when Fury knocked out Cunningham. Wasn't the KO kind of controversial aswell ? because some people claimed Fury used an illegal tactic although i haven't the fight for a long time.

The fight against Klitschko i give him credit for, although the fight was god awful. And one of the worst Heavyweight title fights i've ever seen, although a rematch would of been interesting to see.

And then there's the Wilder fights and if i'm being completely honest. I honestly don't think much of Wilder as a boxer, has he got good power ? yes i'll give him credit for that. But Fury was also floored 4 times against a very limited Wilder.

It may seem like i'm hating on Fury i'm not, i don't dislike him although i'm not a fan of his. I'm not really a fan of any Heavyweight right now honestly. But i don't quite put him on a pedestal like everyone else seems to, for me he still has some proving to do.

 

You're right.

 

Yes, but not on the first or second try. And he needs to win his schedued fight.

 

I'm not totally sold. He hasn't really done all that. His greatest truimph is beating Wlad in a stinker of a fight. He never offered a rematch. I discount the fights againts Wilder as he's a puncher and nothing else. He's never fought a really good well rounded fighter; despite Joshua's setbacks he is a well rounded fighter who can punch. The closest fighter that comes into that category, Wlad aside, is Wallin and he scraped by him. if Joshua was to fight Wallin and KO him easily it would answer a few questions for me personally.

Were he to beat Joshua and Usyk I would be more convinced. I can't see him fighting any of those 2 fighters unfortunately.

 

Size is only a big advantage in so far as you are very athletic at the higher weight: Valuev is a classic example of the diminishing returns of size. And because power increases relative to resistance as you move through the weights, top 15 stone heavyweights can hurt and KO top 18-19 stone heavyweights, whereas a 10 stone fighter couldn't do the same to a proportionally much bigger 13-14 stone fighter and he can be bullied more easy.

Kevin Johnson said that he found sub-200 lbs to be a harder division than 200+ because the smaller men were too fast for him, while also hitting hard. Kevin couldn't compete with athletic SHW's either but he no doubt found it easier against Hammer, Chisora and Ruiz than he would have against Cunningham, Huck, Hunter etc.

 

If Fury beat AJ, it would be "AJ was already exposed by a little fat man and schooled by a featherfisted cruiserweight" and if Fury beat Usyk it would be "Usyk's done nothing except struggle with a shopworn Chisora and beat a guy who'd already been beaten worse by a little fat man".

If Fury's detractors are "not convinced" by his four fights against the two biggest punchers of all time who were also historically long-reigning champions, every time in their backyards, 3/4 times as the underdog, then obviously nothing will be good enough.

 

Beat Whyte and become undisouted by beating AJ/Usyk twice. Then you could arguably put him as a HOF fighter.