70s Foreman was a bit overrated IMO

Reptiles and mammals run on completely different engines.

A large mammal will get tired faster than a small Mammal. A larger person will get tired faster than a smaller person.

Sorry you failed grade school science.

 

A larger person will get tired faster than a bigger person? Makes sense.

 

When you're wrong and you want to get back at someone, start nitpicking obvious typos.

It's amazing how you brag about your boxing knowledge but you were unaware that a larger boxer fighting at an aggressive pace will tire faster than a smaller one fighting at a reserved pace.

 

So now you throw in pace as Foreman had no control over that. Don’t misquote me, my G.

 

I never said Foreman had no control over his pace.

Everything I said was incredibly obvious, common sense observations. A big muscular guy with an offense oriented style, fighting outdoors in a hot climate, would be expected to tire faster than his smaller elusive opponent. I'm not sure why you're disagreeing with something that would be obvious to anyone with a smidgen of boxing knowledge. But hey, you're the local contrarian guy that has to feel special disagreeing with stuff people can see for free on YouTube.

 

So you’re saying Foreman lost because he couldn’t pace himself, which is the same thing that I’m saying. No pass given to George.

 

Foreman was a destroyer. I can't think of any fighters in history who could beat him at his best .

 

He isn't implying this. He didn't say this one time.

Cobra is saying that Foreman, at his weight, and his style, requires more energy. To do ANYTHING. Speaking purely in terms of energy, Foreman throwing one punch uses several times the energy of a smaller opponent throwing the same punch. Cobra isn't speaking about Foreman's pace, he is saying his style as a whole requires more gas in the tank and that Foreman uses that gas quickly because of his physical attributes and style. We aren't debating pace.

NoNeck I think you're just trolling. I haven't laughed at anything on this site until I read "Small reptiles get tired quicker than large mammals, bro.". Whatever you were thinking when you wrote that I still can't imagine, and it's funny as hell. The worst analogy I have heard on this site.

 

I'm saying he lost because he

-didnt take time to adjust to PR's climate
-had a larger body and got tired faster
-dealt with hypertension issues in the 70's
-changed trainers and had a worse style
-hesitated to jump on Young early because Don King told him to take it easy so they could play commercials of their sponsors
-hesitated to finish young when he had him badly hurt remembering what happened in Zaire. Young himself admits he was pretty much done and had no idea how he survived but wasn't going to tell Foreman.
-Young was a bad matchup. A slippery counter puncher who made other punchers look bad. He fought an excellent game plan regardless making Foreman miss and countering him.

You're the same guy who made excuses for Golota quitting a fight with garbage being thrown at him. Just admit you play favorites.

 

He likes being a contrarian and going against the grain just for the sake of it. He does this all the time and plays favorites for fighters he likes and gives zero excuses for fighters he doesn't like. Oftentimes it's him putting himself against like 75% of the forum. Maybe he just doesn't like when too many people agree on something no matter how obvious it may be so he causes a fuss just because.

 

From Google

"Heatstroke is a condition caused by your body overheating, usually as a result of prolonged exposure to or physical exertion in high temperatures. This most serious form of heat injury, heatstroke, can occur if your body temperature rises to 104 F (40 C) or higher. The condition is most common in the summer months"

From the website https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/boxing-art...-boxing-classic-jimmy-young-vs-george-foreman

"In the Presbyterian Hospital bed to which he was taken after the fight, after he tried to convince his handlers that he just had a conversation with Jesus in the small bathroom connected to his dressing room, Foreman was hooked by tube to hanging bottle from which an intravenous solution for extreme heat prostration dripped into his huge left arm. “He said he had a spiritual awakening,” said Gil Clancy, the former heavyweight champion’s trainer. “It was hot as hell in the ring; he was hallucinating from dehydration.”

From the NY times

"But by then, Foreman appeared exhausted. After the bout, the former champion was taken in an ambulance to a nearby hospital. According to his trainer, Gil Clancy, he was suffering from heat exhaustion.” The overhead TV lights seemed much hotter than usual at ringside."

So apparently Foreman's heat stroke+dehydration was so bad they had to hook him up to an IV. I can't find a source for the exact temperature the day of the fight, but apparently you need a temperature of 104 to have a heat stroke. How he was able to finish the fight on his feet is beyond me.

 

LOL @playing the Don King card.

Look, he was inferior to guys like Wlad, Vitali and Lewis. That's why he, in his prime, lost to Jimmy Young. They were all bigger than George and none of them would've ended up having Jesus speak to them in the locker room after the fight.

 

Said it on the other thread but I’ll repeat here. You’re severely underrating Lyle for one. Lyle wasn’t an easy fight to take. Lyles best win also wasn’t Shavers. He has wins over Bonavena, Ellis, Middleton etc before meeting Foreman. Foreman was a gold medalist.
Jimmy Young wasn’t some bum. Odd fighter I agree but he should have wins over several excellent fighters he lost dubious decisions to. As well as some good wins on paper.
George could be outboxed for sure but you better have an ATG chin to do so against prime Foreman. I’m Chuvalos case it didn’t help him.

 

Vitali was a lot bigger than Chris Byrd and quit. Byrd has many similarities to Young and the size difference was even more crazy than the difference between Young and Foreman.

Wladmir was a lot bigger than Brewster and was steam rolled.

Lewis was bigger than Rahman and got splattered.

This is a terrible argument.

They would probably be speaking to Jesus too if they had a heat stroke and a temperature of 104 chasing after a slippery counter puncher.

I have Lewis and Wladmir ahead of Foreman h2h and in resume. Vitali is slightly lower.