Bonavena vs Ali who was winning going into the 15th?

Superman vs Ringo

Oscar 3, 4, 5 7, ,8, 11, 14

Draw 9, 11

Ali 1 2, 10, 13 15+1


I don’t like watching HWs. But I like Bonavena, I just do. So, I decided I’d watch his best performance.

Round-1 Ali did enough. I guess I was drunk?

Round 2- Ali won the second, just more accurate, active and effective.

Round 3- Oscar. Ali looked like he was trying to steal it with his feet and feints, but Oscar was playing to “Effective aggression and punches landed” simple. He landed more and pushed him back.

Round 4- Oscar big. It was one sided the “Defensive wizard” looked like he had stomach cramps tucked over like that, he kept his hands up and just let Oscar beat him up and score at will.

Round 5- I think Oscar etched it, he worked the body and the head, Ali looked good for the first minute of the round letting his hands go but after that? What did Ali do? Oscar bulled him around the ring and landed the bigger punches.

Round 6- Oscar, Again Ali was moving around and “Looked” better when he was winning but Bonavena always responded with an equal force when Ali did land and kept up the pace left hooks ahoy, he landed flush and big multiple times that round and kept up the chase.

Round 7- Oscar finished strong, Ali was doing the same stuff. He was looking GREAT for one minute of the round and letting Oscar take the other 2/3…

Round 8- About even. I am going to give it to Bonavena by a smidge he was a bloodhound.

Round 9- Even. The predication didn’t stick but Ali finally started taking the guns out of the holster. I reckon Oscar could win this round by virtue of those massive thudding shots he landed through during the exchanges. Not sure.

Round 10- Ali looks more tired but is working harder in this one. Keen sense of losing the momentum of the fight.

Round 11- Wicked shots from Oscar Ali looked shook and flat here. Also, can Howard ever shut the **** up? “Oh man Ali should be embarrassed look what Jimmy Eliiiis diiiiiid” No one cares, give Oscar credit for feeding Ali left hooks like candy all night and Muhamad’s ability to take it and stay calm.

Round-12 Etched it, I reckon they drew. Also, side note I’d pay to watch someone water board Howard with urine. Self-absorbed dribble How can you watch this entire fight and spend the entire time talking about how bad a fighter is doing? What if Oscar is better then you thought Howard and Ali is worse then you think?

Round-13 It’s Ali. Championship rounds here. He’s trying to close the show now. Letting his hands fly, but taking some ugly ones.

Round-14 “One cannot take credit away from Oscar Bonavena” you mean like you haven’t done this entire fight? Also, Oscar won this round. Yank says Oscar is one round behind… The judges? Check those ugly scores at the time of the bull stoppage.

Round-15 Obviously Ali won. Let’s credit Ali with one fair KD and In Bizzarro land Oscar survives the round which I think was very possible given how he wasn’t actually stopped even though Ali disregarded the neutral corner rule… Load of nonsense. I think Bonavena wins.

Now, let's talk about why this didn't look like Ali besides the obvious Howard. Oscar punched with Muhamad he didn't care to cover up a lot, he exchanged and punched at the same time a bunch and often evened the scored on the virtue of his power and bulling.

It put Ali in a weird spot the whole fight one he hadn't faced on this level of comp, Ali had to open up and shoot a lot more then he was used to and sometimes capable of and he was often just off set all together with how much Oscar just walked through his shots to trade.

He needed to I think anyway which doesn't mean anything, focus on turning Oscar- shoot and slide, he kept backing up in straight lines and resorting to clinching all night he got into the rhythm of it for a bit he'd shoot twice and use the third punch to redirect Oscar with a push, pull or stiff arm. Ringo's entire kit was very wrong for Ali and if he didn't get the benefit of the doubt in this one we'd have never seen the FOTC in my opinion.

This looked like the Prototype for Frazier's victory. It should've been Ali's lesson on how to deal with the "Smokin" One...

 

@cross_trainer *pulls up chair*

This, this is where they will hang me. I thought I'd offer you the front row seat.

 

Watch the fight.. Go score it and don't forget "Punches landed, Effective aggression" while you are at it. Also, don't be a diva in my thread please relax.

 

Suppose you disagree with Yank Durham thinking it was very close, by his words if Oscar won the 15th it'd be a very hard fight to score.

 

Go score the fight. Do it. keep in mind how many effective shots Ali lands and who is running the show in terms of ring position, pace etc overall who was in control. Bonavena landed WICKED shots upstairs and some fat ones down stairs all night, bullied him and worked Ali over.

 

"The man who stands for nothing will fall for anything"- Ser Oscar "Plato" Bonavena

 

Give it a re-watch sometime. Score it with the judging criteria.

Tell me who is winning come the 15th

Wish Ali could've fed Will Smith that same hook, I'd take one if I got to see Smith get splattered first.