Explain Fitzsimmons vs Jeffries 2 to me

That is my point, and he was cheating. But Jeffries didn't seem to mind and wanted to be paid so... It is likley Jeffries underestimated Fitzsimmons and his rock hard wraps.

 

It seems people here know a lot more about this fight than the authors of the next day report...

 

The next days newspapers clearly stated that both men entered the ring ungloved, that Jeffries walked over to Fitz's corner took hold of Fitz's hands and carefully examined his hand wraps and found nothing amiss.If there had been electric tape on them it would have been detected immediately as if feels like it's almost a solid mass with no give in it.Pugguy has provided several first hand accounts of this as have I in previous posts and threads but one particular poster refuses to accept them ,preferring to believe hear say from a ghosted biography in which Jeffries also blames his loss to Johnson on "drugged tea".Fitz had bad hands for many of his later fights ,and frequently asked permission to wear extra gauze wrapping,he did so for the Ruhlin fight in which he gave Gus an unmerciful beating.

 

If Fitz had electric tape on it would have been detected when Jeffries held his hands and examined his wraps.

 

Welcome back. You should score Bonavena vs Muhamad Ali again. Remember "Effective Punches landed, effective aggression."

 

Both men agreed that soft surgical bandages would be permitted and that they would be subject to the referees inspection,Fitz wore them Jeffries did not.

 

Pollack's diligently researched book on Jeffries states that in their 1st fight Jeffries sustained a lump under his right eye in the 5th rd which Fitz later opened up.Jeffries also got a bad cut on his forehead, above the left eye from a straight left in the 6th rd which "bled copiously ,blood dripping down onto his breast for the rest of the fight.In the 7th rd Jeff's mouth began to bleed.
Jeffries also finished the 1st Ruhlin fight with swollen lips and 2 black eyes ,he was no stranger to facial injuries!

 

The writers name was Hype Igoe and he was present at both the Jeffries v Fitz 2nd fight and the Dempsey v Willard fight.He stated Jeffries took more punishment than did Willard.Jeff got a broken nose and deep gashes above and below both eyes and his face was a mask of blood for much of the fight.

 

Perfect! I remember reading that - and I also seem to recall a fig. of $5000 as the upfront payment requested by Fitz, but I could be wrong.

Now we’ll hear that Fitz didn’t want it filmed because there was cheating afoot. LOL.

The only ref. to electrical tape that I’ve read is on Boxrec - stating that it was “later” revealed. Being even handed, I’ve promoted this ref. before.

HOWEVER, where is the primary source for this “later” revelation re electrical tape? It seems that those concluding that Fitz didn’t load/taint wraps are forthcoming with all available info - myself included. while those BELIEVING Fitz did cheat jump on and cherry pick any available info provided TO them to make their case.

How about those claiming that Fitz cheated actually provide source evidence of their OWN - a good start would be to show WHERE, HOW and by WHOM it was “revealed” that Fitz used electrical tape .

The term “later” could mean a claim well removed from the time of the actual event - certainly I don’t think Fitz would fess up IF he had used said wraps - if any such revelation does exist it could be - in all possibility a disgruntled ex associate of Fitz or even from Jeff’s BIO which I have not read. Some context would help here.

In musing on same, also think Kearns’ later false claim that Dempsey loaded.

Bang on again. And I agree, if it could be shown, which we’re all open to, then we might assign a degree of cheating.

It seems that at least Jeff, if not also his team, inspected Fitz’s wraps - I guess people can decide for themselves how much Jeff’s own approval constitutes passing Fitz’s wraps as legal - but as you said, the allowable nature of the wraps was clearly specified in the contract.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I also understand that the use of wraps weren’t common as at the time, relatively new? - so it’s also possible I guess that unintentional, inadvertent advantage might be gained without broad and proper regulation - but again, as you said, on this occasion the specification for the wraps were made clear in the contract - soft surgical.

 

You’ve “ridden” back in! Good stuff.

YES, Jeff and facial punishment were no strangers.

It would be like raising alarm bells when, in his very next fight, Joe Grim goes down 10 times, reactively musing “What’s up with that?” completely ignoring all the previous bouts in which Indian Rubber Joe hit the deck multiple times per fight.

Actually, if there was any fight in which Joe G. didn’t hit the deck at all - that’s when I’d be asking some serious questions! LOL.

 

I don't want to crash this party but a 10 second search on Google shows that "electrical tape" was invented in 1946 which I believe was WAY after any Fitz-Jeffries fight.

 

I see Ral Hal Gooly Gooly dislikes Fitz no matter what identity he takes on here.

 

I find it highly unlikely, given that Willard spent half of the fight on the floor.

 

Agreed, it's an awfully big "if". Multiple accounts agree that Jeffries inspected Fitzsimmons' hand wraps in the ring and made no objection, although he did later blame the "heavy bandages" for the cuts he sustained.

As you say, it's not clear where boxrec gets the "revelation" that Fitzsimmons used electrical tape. I've never seen a source to back that up.

 

I'm old, but not old enough to have been at either fight.Igoe was. When you are on the floor you aren't getting hit are you. Firpo was down multiple times against Dempsey,do you think he took as much punishment as Jeffries? Firpo's face after the fight was comparatively unmarked,[don't ask for photos,I'm only repeating what I read and I'm not trawling through over a hundred boxing books and about 700 magazines to find it!] Read the next day fight reports and Pollack's and Odd's books for more detailed info.