Wilder’s résumé is aging like a fine wine

I mean, for me, there's not much value between Stiverne lasting 3 or 6 rounds of being beat on.

Guys were down on Joyce ('slow', 'plodding', et cetera) before Stiverne landed some good rights and lasted into the 6th. I don't know that it generally had/has much to do with Wilder so much as people not appreciating what they're looking at.

Of the guys crapping on Painterly Joe after Stiverne, were any boosting him particularly prior to Stiverne? They might've expected him to get rid of Stiverne early, because the general perception (throughout the industry and the sport's fanbase, not just among Wilder's detractors on BF24) was that Stiverne was all washed up, but did they have much general praise for Joyce before the fight? Round/round group predictions are a vagarious thing, besides — a guy can look ready to go inside two or three, then precariously survive several more rounds of being beat on (which is why I seldom bet rounds or round groups, and almost always with plenty margin for error, i.e. 1–6 or 7–12, if I do).

Putting aside what guys on here were saying, Stiverne losing every round and getting smacked about before being stopped inside six just adds weight to the general perception that he was pretty much spent when Wilder crushed him in one. Not spent in the sense that he had no ambition, but declined in his practical capabilities.

We can disagree on whether it was worth including, though (I note that we disagree in the modern boxers vs. old boxers debate, too, though we haven't discussed it). Thread premise is argued well and I agree with your overall point that Wilder is (often wilfully) undervalued by a bunch of guys here.

I got it.

 

Ahhhh, so it was one of those "fight science" type shows like the History/Discovery Channel airs, but done by the WBO?

 

On this board it’s aging more like a bottle of Mad Dog 2020

 

In terms of Wach being notable, i referening to when I made post of each guys most notable wins. Which Wach is in Whytes top 5. Same as I mentioned Spzilka , Stiverne and Washington for Wilders. None of them are really notable top fighters just amongst these fighters most notable wins. Wach was average Euro level gatekeeper who is just durable similar to prime Ustinov and Hammer (although Wach was a bit better). Whyte had poor showing against Wach in a short notice fight in which h Whyte came in very out of shape.

You mentioned Spzilka giving Wach a good fight yet failed to mentioned he won numerous rounds against Wilder and Chisora didn't even have break a sweat to KO him in the first round.

You praise Wilder for stopping Duhaupas for KOing Helenius (an inconsistent fighter) who went the distance with Whyte only because he was on the run all fight and fail to attempt engage. Yet you failed to mention that it was a premature stoppage against Wilder and Duhaupas made Wilder's face a mess. Povetkin brutally battered and KOed Duhaupas with no trouble.

You praise Arreola because he went the distance with Ruiz and Wilder KOed him. Yet fail to mentioned the most noteworthy opponent he has beaten in his career Eric Molina.

You praise Wilder for beating Washington who beat Forrest. Yet failed to mention Forrest was "green" only 7 fights in and clearly improved since then. You also fail to mentioned that Washington was out boxing Wilder in numerous of rounds.

You praise Wilder for beating Ortiz. Ortiz who most noteworthy opponent is Jennings and that Ortiz struggled went life and death with Charles Martin of people and was dropped twice including from jab.

You praise Wilder for stopping Breazeale quicker than AJ. Yet you don't mention AJ stopping and battering Molina with ease quicker than Wilder and that Molina hurry Wilder and made go bambi legs.

You even praised Wilder for beating a at the time 4-7-5 journeyman in Morales. That's desperate.

End of the day it is not even debatable that Wilder best win in Ortiz doesn't have a as good of a record as AJs top 6 beaten opponents.

 

Recontextualizing the Wilder-Stiverne II reference, as you did there, makes for a good point. I agree with it.

 

What a weird post, most on here think heavyweight is badly overrated, so it doesn’t mean much if some c level fighters are competitive with each other. Also if you have to connect the dots this much on a resume then it’s probably not that good. Hop off Wilder’s dick

 

This is the place I choose to post, so, apparently, I must enjoy the forum to some significant extent (moreso since the moderating has become more sensible, least in my experiences of it). But what most on here think doesn't always reflect the truth of a matter. For example, I lose track of the amount of times I've seen cruiserweight being lauded as some playground of killer A fighters (not just in the Usyk era, but in the days when I was just a reader).

"Most on here" don't even know what it's like to be hit in the body by someone who's won respected professional titles, man. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion (moreso if it's truly his conviction and not some lazy, regurgitated prevailing wisdom), and it's possible to have a somewhat educated opinion without possessing any real boxing experience, but every online discussion spot on a sport will have its own particular flavor or cult-like leanings that don't necessarily reflect the reality of matters. I can recall a time when it was common, in some online spots, to read that Guillermo Rigondeaux was the most skilled fighter who ever lived, which was always a statement steeped in unwitting patent absurdity at odds with the unironic earnestness in which it was typically delivered.

 

NEETz won't stop with his mental acrobatics and his narritive spinning. It's going to take Fury losing in embarrassing fasion to keep him down, but he'll only lay low for a little bit. He'll come back, and claim how the person that beat Fury beats everyone else in history.

It'll be quite fun to witness and it'll be soon

 

I know
If Whyte somehow beats Fury I really think he would hang him self

 

Ok so sorry for my wording. If we’re talking “facts” then the heavyweight division is badly overrated, it just so happens that most on here agree. Don’t get so bitter cause no one on here or Reddit buys into your super long post filled with bs