For starters, here's a big one, Fight people that are actually ranked higher than 300th in the world lol 2nd, beat people who are ranked higher than 15th in the world
AJ was overrated, now he's becoming UNDERRATED He was the best of a bad bunch for a few years and fought better opponents than any of his peers, now the division is moving on it's down to him to improve
When was AJ the best of anything? Two of the three big names of the '15-'20 era faced each other and he wasn't one of them. He was anointed king by Eddie and all of the reddit level boxing fans before and after getting battered by, and quitting against, Andy Ruiz Jr. Joshua had never, at any point, established himself as the definitive #1 in the division.
Look, I don't rate AJ at all but He was #1 from AJ Klit until Wilder Fury 2 I think he still would have been KO'd by Wilder at any point in that period, but he was widely recognised as best in the division as had a better resume than Wilder
This is just wrong. You don't become "#1" by not facing the other guy in the division everyone thinks can beat you. You're telling me that in June 2019, when AJ got battered by Ruiz until he quit, until February 2020, AJ was still "#1" ? You're really reaching to overrate a guy you "don't rate at all"
...and in the next thread, NEETZ will be showcasing his fellatio abilities with Fury's resume. With the exception of losing to Tyson Fury twice, and drawing with him once, Wilder hasn't faced anyone better than AJs top 5.
AJ has a couple of the same names on his as Wilder. Also, 95% of his best wins were guys over 35. He's 3-2 in this time frame against prime fighters. Some people criticize Fury, but he did enough to earn a title fight with Wlad and other than a few tune-up fights after a long layoff, has taken on Wilder 3 times and now his mandatory in Whyte. Usyk's resume might be the best of the bunch.
Wilder fought a lot of stiffs on the way up but that's hardly uncommon in boxing history, especially considering his late start and short amateur career. Wilder's level of competition was gradually stepped up: 1.5 years very low, 2.5 years low, 2 years low-medium, 3 years medium-high and 3.5 years high. Andy Ruiz predominately fought low quality opponents for the first 7.75 years and 29 pro fights to the age of 27.25, despite having 110 amateur bouts and boxing since he was 6 years old. His best win pre-Joshua was a competitive fight over the 10 round distance with a washed up Kevin Johnson. Yet this is barely ever mentioned by comparison. Whose "rankings" are sacrosanct? These bodies make what I regard as horrific blunders all the same. For example: Martin and Takam were higher ranked opponents when AJ fought them than Usyk was. I prefer to look at comparative performances: if the performances of Wilder's opponents compare favourably or similarly with the opponents of his rivals, they are not bad opponents (at least relatively). There's also the question of how dangerous these opponents are: if they come to take dives (Scott against Wilder, Martin and Molina against AJ) they are not worth anything, if they come to survive rather than win and if they don't have serious power or real skill, they aren't very dangerous. When it really comes down to it most defences are soft touches, regardless of the spin or nostalgia. On the whole, Wilder's weren't worse than AJ's: how many losses would AJ have if he had faced Fury x3, Ortiz x2, Stiverne 1 and 39 other opponents? Certainly more than he currently does.
Wlad and Povetkin are his best wins imo. Pulev and Takam are below Whyte, Ruiz and Parker for me. Only three of them possess a real KO threat (Wlad especially, Povetkin, Whyte) yet AJ managed to get KO'd by a non-puncher and schooled by Usyk. Fury's wins over Chisora are the 6th and 7th best on his record but both Whyte and Parker got A-side decisions against Chisora. I could see Cunningham and Wallin giving 39 year old Povetkin serious problems or beating him. Usyk's record is hard to compare because 16/19 of his fights are at cruiserweight. Only two of his heavyweight fights are relevant and they are 2/3 of his toughest pro fights.
Debatable, maybe he is. He gets a lot of hate on this forum because on some level we all know he could KO anyone's favourite heavyweight in a hypothetical matchup, especially if that heavyweight is fragile like Lewis or Wlad.