Foreman vs. Lyle" Fight of the Year AND a Skilled Affair.

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Here is a great analyses of the fight, giving the lie to Howard Cosell's undiscerning eye where he thought it was two gladiators slugging it out "completely with skill".

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    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His breakdowns of the Frazier vs Ali series are absolutely wonderful.
     
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  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    I wonder how Foreman has recovered from such punchs and knockdowns, and not in Zaire.
    He seems to have been exhausted in Zaire as well.
     
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    Excellent YouTube channel. Love his stuff.
     
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    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exhaustion was the main reason he was out in Zaire. Ali is not knocking down, let alone out, Foreman in a more forgiving climate.
     
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  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Several reasons: first of all this fight ended in the 5th, with one round accidentally ended a minute early.
    In Africa it went to near the very end of the 8th round. That is a lot more time.
    Also the temperature & the fight was held at 4 AM to accommodate our TV audiences, that has to make it harder.

    Maybe the biggest single reason was Ali frequently not only holding but pulling down with his body weight oin the back of Foreman's neck.
    That is tiring.
    Oh & also while missing punches may be more tiring, related to the duration of the fight, Foreman just threw a lot more.

    Edit: Foreman was getting exhausted by the end of the Lyle fight anyway, as you would expect throwing constant bombs.
     
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    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Really enjoyed that
     
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  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cosell's commentary was like nails scratching on a chalkboard
     
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  9. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    There's not much breakdown or much skill in that brawl. Every fight can broken down, even fights with low level in skill. Look at Deontay Wilder, a clumsy fighter with not much skill but after MMA made a breakdown of him now people is calling Wilder's technique ''underrated". No, I find that stupid. He's just breaking down fights and fighters into pieces like puzzles. There are much more complicated puzzles and there are the much more simple puzzles, but both can be broken down.

    MMA's channel is about breaking down fights and fighters for us to understand what is happening and how it works.
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yeah this was definitely not a fight with much skill displayed. I remember in the first round, Lyle threw a wild punch which Foreman easily slipped and Lyle's head hit the turnbuckle. :lol: If a fighter today did that, let alone someone in the top 10, we'd never hear the end of it. :lol:
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I'll echo the thoughts others have already given. It was a fun video. I enjoyed it. It was very helpful in explaining what happened, and why. It also gave me more appreciation for Lyle.

    It confirmed that Foreman was sloppy in that fight, though, and didn't add much evidence of great skill on Foreman's part.

    That said, very good thread.
     
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  12. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    And then I got scold for saying there wasn't much "skill" in this fight. Smh...
     
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  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    “Skilled affair” That’s simply untrue.
     
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    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    You are 100% right. People just want to see some hidden subtlety in there favourite sloppy fighters- you have to squint pretty hard here.
     
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  15. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    You think Ali is incapable of KOing George Foreman?
     
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