George Foreman Circa 1973 V Mike Tyson Circa 1990

No, you stated that Tyson had a better chin. There are no evidences of that,at all.

 

Expect there is? I really just give up with you folk. But I am gonna try. Lyle showed us the brink of Foreman's chin as a young man near his prime he was almost KO'd by his own admission in the early rounds by Ron Lyle. We never saw Mike Tyson so vulnerable near his prime he wasn't KO'd unless he had taken a real beating and it was always a TKO, against Lennox as an utterly shot guy the 6ft5 249lbs HW known for his power, which is in the same tier as Foreman beat Tyson like a drum for 8 rounds before he closed the show. What's hard to understand?

 

Foreman got dropped by Lyle, but he got back and fought back. He survived very heated moment, but his chin didn't let him down.

Tyson got stopped by Douglas, who wasn't a puncher at all - no matter how much you'd like to turn him into that.

 

So you ignore all context and actual reasoning okay? Also, I am done with this but Douglas really did hit hard by the word of a lot of guys. I don’t know why you whom haven’t been in the ring with him are gonna refute it.

 

You are the one known for ignoring all context and actual reasoning when it comes to Foreman. That's why you always bring up Lyle fight, because you have nothing else.

Who did Douglas stop outside of Tyson?

It's not only about Douglas, he got stopped by Holyfield who was a decent, but not spectacular puncher. Foreman took Holyfield punches far better than Tyson did.

 

Weak dude. You’re literally doing the very thing you’re accusing me of If you didn’t zero in on one thing and just read my posts with an open mind you wouldn’t lose your head over Saint Foreman the holys name being besmirched. This won’t go anywhere I’m not wasting another second.

 

Now; Ruddock, Smith and Lewis hits as hard as Foreman? Buster Douglas was a big puncher? He had a 65% KO ratio. Well since you care so much about boxers their admissions, you should maybe read Holyfield's interview on ring on about who was the biggest puncher he fought and who was the most powerful.

Also when did 70s Foreman became a mindless slugger? Do you guys just watch highlights and then talk sh*t about them?

 

I'm not even Foreman fan and I always read posts with open mind. In this case though, you are wrong.

 

Ugh. Another one. Did I say Foreman didn’t hit hard? They’re all a similar level of puncher or at the least “tier” I care about the admissions of fighters because they matter yea. Curtis Shepard also had a low KO% look into him.

Honestly, if you don’t see anything beyond “mindless slugger” in the grand scheme of boxing when you look at “Young” Foreman you’re lost. Remember it’s all relative at the highest level.

 

If you apply that Lewis fight to prime Tyson then apply Foremans fights with Hoylfield, Morrison, and Briggs to prime Foreman. It's that simple. I don't know why we keep going in circles over such a simple concept. Foreman had multiple fights in both the 70's and 90's where he takes very powerful bombs without going down.

I called it cherry picking because you're ignoring the times Tyson's chin failed him against Holyfield, Douglas, and Williams who don't hit half as hard as Foreman. Lewis wasn't really going all out either, his own trainer yelled at him for being too cautious.

Buster was not a big puncher. Who the hell did he ever KO besides Tyson? Nobody.

You're being inconsistent again. Ali stopped Foreman after a "long, long beat down" and Foreman punched himself out, just like Hoylfield stopped Tyson after a long beat down. Fun fact: Foreman said Ali and Hoylfield hit about the same.

What if it was Foreman instead of Douglas landing much bigger punches on a a lazy, unfocused, Tyson going through the motions? Tyson was wide open in Tokyo, which is what the thread is about. Not Tyson vs Lewis, Holyfield, ir any other time frame. Tyson in TOKYO. See how easy it is to just flip things around? You're making millions of excuses for Tyson and not applying the same logic to Foreman.

 

This, this is why I can’t. Please, read it again. I don’t think i could’ve made it simpler. We saw the threshold of Foreman’s chin, we did not see the threshold of Tysons he was stopped ONLY when he was worn out and spent his chin never “failed him” he got beat and got toppled over in the later rounds breathing heavy.

George was on sh1t street early against Lyle fresh as a daisy he was hurt BIG and almost finished it shows us the the upper limit of what he could take it’s a real simple concept.

Tyson on the other hand took it from top tier punchers without going drunk till he was tired. Why bring up Old Foreman? I’m just illustrating that Lyle is about the power you need to hurt and drop George badly, it’s not really a knock? George had a hell of a chin undoubtedly and it was why he survived so well in the 80s-90s… I just think there is more evidence of Tyson taking a hard shot better. It’s not a big deal.

 

And people will ignore this and apply their own spin on things, but even after his long career in the 90's facing multiple big punchers, Foreman insisted none of them hit as hard as Lyle.

So if we're using "word of mouth" to hype up Douglas as some underrated monstrous puncher, there's that. Zeroing in in the Lyle fight isn't some sort of checkmate maneuver in this discussion at all.

 

Foremans chin didn't fail him against lyle. He won the fight. And that wasn't 1973 Foreman. Different style, different trainer, lacked confidence, inactive.

You keep jumping all over the place cherry picking which moments from both guys careers you want to focus on.

Why bring up old Foreman? The same reason you keep bringing up post prison fights of Tyson. They have nothing to do with the conversation. If you want to use Tyson from a million years past his prime and apply that chin to his younger self I can apply Foremans chin to his younger self. Do I need to say this in Swahili for you to get it?

There is zero evidence Tyson took a better shot when he was stopped 5x to Tyson's 1 and Tyson was stopped by multiple guys who didn't hit half as hard as Foreman.

 

That was 90s Foreman, who could withstand punishment much better than 73 Foreman.
And 96 Tyson was not used to being him anymore, having fought just a handful of rounds after being in prison for almost 4 years.
So 96 Tyson does not have the same ability to absorb punches as 90 Tyson.
Anyway, who has the better chin doesn't matter that much since the difference ain't gonna be huge.
Both had a good chin, not a glass one.

 

What the hell don’t you get about this. Lyle showed us how much it took to hurt and dropped Foreman. Different trainer, and one year and a bit of inactivity isn’t changing his damn chin…

What the… dude what? I don’t get your stupid logic here. I’m not discarding Foreman’s feats in the 80-90s period. None of what I said does that I’m using the Lyle fight because that’s the logical choice talking about his chin it shows us how powerful you need to be to… you know where this is going ffs. Idiotic nonsense.

Okay. Foreman was almost stopped right, by Lyle who hit him hardest. He wasn’t tired he just hit him so hard it almost KO’d him. So now we know about what it takes to KO George. Still following? Never mind because that’s where it ends…

Are you going to ignore what happened prior to the stoppages and leading up to them or how they came about? Because when you take out context I can say I’ve never been stopped by a HW so I must take a better shot then both. I think we are done here I don’t think I can make what I’m saying clearer or change your mind.