George Foreman Circa 1973 V Mike Tyson Circa 1990

That should tell you all you need to know. Double standards and lack of consistency all over the place here...

 

Tyson went some rounds with Lewis because after the 2nd round on he stopped trying to win and just braced himself for a beating. He wasn't punching, not leaving Lennox Lewis any openings like he did in the 1st round.

Couple that with Lewis being the opposite of Foreman in his mentality. Lennox could hit but he was a chess player who drank Tea. Lennox Lewis was content to box his way to victory as he did with David Tua. Once Tua more or less said no Mas Lewis didn't press for a knockout. George Foreman was seek and destroy especially when he hurt a man.

Both of these guys have good chins and perhaps glass minds. Tyson's was more severe because I never saw George stop throwing leather.

 

No double standards at all, just putting things into context, which you people seem to be having a problem with.
90s Foreman was bigger, paced himself better and thus could take a shot much better. Plus he was training very hard for every fight.
96 Tyson didn't have enough rounds under his belt to get used again to being hit.

 

I agree with a lot of this. I think what people are getting wrong with what I’m saying and being set off by is interpreting me thinking Tyson as having a better chin means Foreman’s is demoted to glass or something. Maybe it’s the stigma of giving Tyson credit being seen as “casual”? I’m not sure. I do agree, Tyson did brace but a beating he took none the less, sickening shots.

 

That's fair

 

I get what you're saying. You're not getting what I'm saying.

Let me know when you're ready to discuss the 1973 version of Foreman against the Tokyo version of Tyson. Bringing up their fights with Lyle, Lewis, etc have nothing to do with the conversation.

 

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He didn't have the same ring IQ but he had the same level of speed plus much greater power. Mike Tyson is IMO the greatest physical boxer ever. No one has combined speed and power to the same degree as Tyson.

Foreman relied on durability and power, Ali KO'd him late as part of his plan. Foreman could last and KO Tyson late, but I think he'd get caught with a tonne of huge shots and I think it would finish off Foreman within 4-5 rounds.

Ali's power was good, but not that great, Tyson had exceptional power. If Ali can full on KO foreman, I think Tyson could.

Tyson had fantastic speed, power and skill. He may not have been that intelligent, but he didn't need to.

Tyson IMO has at least a 50/50 chance of beating any HW throughout history while he was in his prime.

I think 7/10 Tyson KO's foreman early. I just don't see Foreman shaking of Tyson's power, and he didn't have the head movement to avoid him. He'd go after him and try and smother him, but I don't think it would work most of the time.

Im summary -

- Foreman wasn't particularly quick
- His defence wasn't great, he simply relied on his durability.
- Tyson has exceptional head movement, he wouldn't just let Foreman do what he'd likely want to do.
- Tyson would catch Foreman many times, and he'd hurt him more than anyone else did.

 

-Foreman was quick when he wanted to be and wouldn't require a whole lot of speed to tag Tokyo Douglas. Tyson got nailed by big slow guys like Smith and Bruno and Tyson was far sharper and more alert in those fights than in Tokyo.

-This is false. Foreman had an active guard with his mummy stance and was very good at parrying and guard manipulation. He didn't simply grit his teeth and walk through punches. Foreman could get lazy occasionally, but he didn't just rely on his sheer toughness with no regard for defense.

-Tysons head movement was far from exceptional in Tokyo. There were whole rounds where he stood there getting his head snapped back by Douglas.

-Tysons accuracy and timing were off in Tokyo and would probably do worse than Frazier did. According to Tyson himself he didn't take the fight seriously and wasn't training. He was dropped by Greg Page in sparring and allegedly spent time partying with Japanese hotel maids.