Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Kenichi Ogawa.

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Since Haney and Kambosos are busy fighting each other, why doesn't Loma move back down to 130 and win a belt there? I think he could easily beat Ogawa. What do you think?
     
  2. EnglishButFrench

    EnglishButFrench New Member Full Member

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    Now, think about why he didn't fight Kambosos.
     
  3. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    While a move down in weight can be problematic for older fighters, I believe Lomachenko would presently best all of the top fighters at 130 (including Stevenson). It's a pity Loma didn't spend more time campaigning at what was/is his optimum weight.
     
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  4. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    Loma is currently in a war…
     
  5. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    Against Stevenson would be a close fight, I think that’s the only really interesting fight for Loma. I doubt that we’ll see Loma back in the ring though
     
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  6. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All wars end, and the conflict in Ukraine is no different. If the impending battles in the Donbas degenerate into something of a static, attritional stalemate, I suspect that a negotiated settlement may come sooner rather than later.

    We will see Lomachenko in the ring again before the end of the year.

    I agree that the Stevenson fight would be a very competitive, high skills chess match. Lomachenko is at his best when he can dictate pace and apply educated pressure.

    While Stevenson is superb defensively, and will likely frustrate Loma at times, I don't believe he has the power to dissuade the speedy Ukrainian from initiating the action.

    Additionally, at 130lbs, Loma can hit, and I think his edge in power and busier approach would be enough to get a decision.
     
  7. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you think boxing is the last thing on Loma's mind at the moment?
     
  8. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, I don't.

    While he's heroically serving his embattled nation, I think it would be naive to conclude he isn't also wondering about his career. That doesn't make him selfish or any less of a patriot, however.
     
  9. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Thread makes no sense whatsoever. He turned down a lineal unified fight cause he is in a war torn country. So why would he fight anyone else now.
     
  10. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    Impending battles? Donbas is where Mariupol is, that’s where Russia has focused their attack and taken over. They’ve attacked Odessa now as well, and I think that’s where Lomachenko would be stationed.
    This war will continue for a long time. I won’t get into the reasons why but that’s almost certainly what will happen. I think Usyk and Lomachenko will never have their heart in boxing again, if they do fight again. They are both into their 30s and they are close to the horrors of war. Usyk looked like he had aged 10 years in his most recent video. As he said, boxing is child’s play compared to the reality of war. They won’t want to be punching anyone after this, and they will want to relax with their families and money.
    I’ll be shocked if we see Lomachenko again this year. Who even cares about boxing really, I’d be satisfied if he simply escapes the war alive. I consider him retired at this point.

    I agree with your fight evaluation, if the war hadn’t happened. 50-50 if he did return he would be a shell of the fighter he was.
     
  11. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, the impending battles in the Donbas. I neither suggested nor intimated that there hadn't been earlier or ongoing battles in that region. The Russians have targeted Odessa with air strikes, but they have yet to launch either a land-based or amphibious assault on the city. (Lomachenko is serving in a territorial defense battalion in his hometown about 90 minutes south of Odessa.)

    I cited the Donbas to distinguish it from other theaters or Russian axes of advance (Kiev axis, for example). Moreover, the battles in the Donbas thus far have not been decisive; the impending Russian offensive to encircle or expel the Ukrainian JOF from that area will likely be the culminating campaign of the war.

    Follow me now?

    As for the rest of your remarks, I think you may be underestimating the resiliency of Usyk and Lomachenko. Indeed Usyk may very well embark on his upcoming match with Joshua with an animating spirit of patriotic pride and responsibility.

    Ted Williams returned from over three dozen combat missions as a Marine aviator during the Korean War and continued with his legendary baseball career.

    Every man is different and only time will tell.
     
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  12. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lomachenko doesn't really need to box again after this whole mess in Ukraine is over. He already has plenty of hardware from the amateurs AND the pros.
     
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  13. Serge

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    Loma has a 100% stoppage ratio at 130

    4 of his 5 wins coming via no mas, the other via spectacular HL reel KO

    I don't think many realize how big a lot of these 135 pounders he's facing are and how much bigger, longer and heavier they are than him

    They're giants who weigh 2 or even 3 divisions more than him and most have over 5'' reach advantages over him

    He himself admits that it's very difficult dealing with fighters with this kind of reach advantage

    He has a very short reach

    Look at Terry Crawford who has been rehydrating 15-18lbs in every division he's campaigned in. Fantastic highly skilled fighter but he has a huge 74'' reach, has never been at a reach disadvantage in any of his world title fights whereas, conversely, Loma has only had a reach advantage a couple of times and is often giving away a significant/huge one and the most he has ever rehydrated was 12.5lbs and that was down at 126 and it's a lot less up at 130 and 135, and again, unlike Loma he's very rarely giving away weight and has often had a significant advantage in that regard.

    Ask yourself when have you ever seen Terry score a savage one punch HL reel KO even against fighters he's a lot heavier than? The answer is you haven't. But Loma has down that twice against fighters who are a lot heavier than him.

    I cite Terry because I rate him highly in terms of skill and he's one of the absolute best in that regard

    The fact Loma's able to overcome such huge physical advantages, and he's often done so against opponents who are very big/savage punchers, is because he's an absolute wizard whose skill level is off the charts

    The way he glides in and out of range and seamlessly blends sublime offence with sublime defense is a thing of beauty and no one else in the sport comes close to him in that regard

    Even at 135 against all these way naturally bigger, heavier and longer giants he's dropped every single one of his opponents except Teofimo and he's still stopped 3 of his 7 opponents, 2 via clean KO

    And even more impressive. He came within a whisker of stopping Pedraza, Campbell and Commey and he could've got them out of there if he really wanted to or they had to resort to desperate measures to survive

    For instance, against Pedraza it was his first fight back from shoulder surgery and he didn't, under his surgeon's advice, even start throwing his potent right hook and right uppercut until round 9 if I remember correctly (he may have thrown one or two before) and it's hardly a coincidence that when he started to incorporate into his attacks with consistency his offence become far more potent and he almost got him out of there

    Campbell had to hold on for dear life a couple of times after being hurt and he even had to rugby tackle Loma to buy some recovery time

    Loma took his foot off the gas after hurting Commey badly and allowed him to survive

    The teak-tough Nakatani was on the receiving end of brutal beating who even the much bigger and heavier hardest puncher in the division Teofimo couldn't stop. Granted he stopped Commey but that was just a perfectly time right hand bazooka KO punch that would've felled an elephant

    Ogawa would get battered and taken to slick school
     
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  14. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't envision Loma belt chasing at this stage in his life and career. I could see him in a cashout fight at some point, but not yet. Too many unknowns.
     
  15. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma is a bit busy..