Felix Trinidad vs Marlon Starling

At his best? Tito takes this though Starling was a good fighter ,Tito at times fought really great.

 

Well said John, I agree.

 

Starling isn't getting the ko here. And he sure does not have enough of a crowd pleasing style to get the nod over a DKP moneymaker.

 

Their size played a part though. Hopkins used his his size and strength to smother Trindad on the inside whenever he needed to. He stayed out of midrange and when Tito did connect his chin being real tough absorbed it.

Trinidad at 147lbs was much quicker than he was at 160. Especially before he struggled with the weight. More importantly he had serious power for that weight class. Fight changing power in either hand. At times he would throw a punch that was glancing or blocked but it moved his opponent into the next one.
Trinidad may have been overrated overall but not as a Welterweight. 15 consecutive wins in title fights. I won't discount Starling though. He had his own formula for success and he does get overlooked these days.

 

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Yea he was stopped cold. 10 count

 

After the bell but Trinidad`s KO punches were harder than this, he would have stopped Marlon.

 

Trinidad was a huge Welter, so junior middle, and later middle seemed to make sense. to me, it was obvious his power came up with him after the Joppy fight. Hopkins is a huge Middleweight, though. The fact he looked strong and had much success at 75 tells me who the larger man was that night - and I think weight did play a factor. But, as you mentioned, there was a massive disparity in skill as well. Hopkins fought a near perfect fight and his focus was 100 percent. Even though it looked like a cake walk, I would say Hopkins was on high alert the whole fight - and that's with a size and weight advantage. That to me, tells me how much of a beast Trinidad was as the smaller man. Hopkins is smart. But to be honest, I'm not sure a fictitious welter Hopkins beats a prime welter Trinidad. I'm not sure he would have been effectively been able to keep Trinidad off of him without the size and weight advantage he had. He was able to as a light heavy who was boiling down to middle, but i'm not sure he would if they were naturally the same size.

 

My argument is it was more to do with the style of both fighters, why he lost not the weight.

Trinidad before Hopkins fight had an Impressive win over Joppy, and before the Wright fight he had an impressive performance over Mayorga.

No one was saying Trinidad was past his best prior to these fights.

 

Well i would argue he was "long gone" during the Winky Wright meeting. His previous fight against Ricardo Mayorga suggests otherwise, the Ali comparison is not relatable and is not the same comparison. Muhammad Ali had parkinson's and was not even fit to fight, how can you possibly think that's the same comparison ?

Trinidad was coming off an impressive win vs Mayorga, Wright just completely neutralized him with his jab and defence.

And no i don't think Trinidad would ever beat a prime Winky Wright at any age or any weight.

 

That jab was a huge part of it

 

People were definitely not saying Trinidad was washed up before the Winky Wright fight …he had just demolished Ricardo Mayorga…Wright was a big underdog …especially over in the General forum …I was there lol

 

Yeah it was i think people are missing the point i'm making, i know it may appear i'm hating on Tito. I'm not i don't dislike the man at all he was in some great fights, i'm just saying he was still good when he fought Hopkins, Wright. People are saying he was "way past his best" but previous fights suggests otherwise. Just honestly tell me was anyone saying Trinidad was shot after destroying Joppy and Mayorga ?

I think the Hopkins, Wright, fights show that Trinidad's style didn't match up good against them. Based on a still good version of Tito being shut out against both fighters, was Tito at his absolute peak ? no i'm not trying to say that. But was he completely washed up when he fought and them ? no.

As another poster pointed out earlier, Trinidad was the favourite against Hopkins. I don't know the odds for Trinidad/Wright. But after the Mayorga fight i don't think people would of thought Trinidad would be massive underdog.

 

Thank you for clarifying that, that's all i'm trying to say pretty much.