Was Canelo vs Kovalev fixed?

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Was Canelo vs Kovalev fixed?

  1. Yes I believe it was fixed.

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  2. No I don't believe it was fixed.

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  1. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

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    Only the Canelo haters seem to think so.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    That's what you say every time some one uses logic to argue you.

    Before the knockout did you think Kovalev or Alvarez was ahead on points?
     
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  3. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You never fail with your dishonesty. You didn't in the slightest touch upon my points

    And your last sentence (which is I assume the best logic you can come up with) doesn't exclude the fight from being fixed in the slightest
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I answered your post with my opinions, you don't have to like them it's your prerogative.

    But speaking of not touching on something in the slightest, you avoided the answer. Who did you have up on points?
     
  5. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Russia, Russia, Russia.
    It’s a conspiracy!
     
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  6. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are some fights that truly looked fixed or shady in the sense someone takes a dive (we won't get into questionable judging). I immediately think of (in recentish years) Wilder vs Scott and Ortiz vs Flores. Canelo vs Kovalev did not look fixed. Kovalev took the fight shortly after the Yards fight but who wouldn't at that stage of their career for the money he was being offered.
     
  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol, no you didn't, you just responded with a blanket post that didn't address any of the points I made

    I will answer just as how you answered mine (aka not providing answer) - Kovalev Canelo were punching each other in the middle of the ring and it went on for 11 rounds.
     
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  8. VBOX

    VBOX JOURNEYMAN Full Member

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    All I know is Kovalev forgot his boxing shoes and brought his tap dancing shoes.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    And after they punched each other for 12 rounds who did you think had amassed the most points?

    See if you can answer without screaming "naive"
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Double votes for No Fix now.
     
  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Naive
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    And this is your problem. You're absolutely fixed in your thinking and anyone else is just wrong.

    Pun intended.
     
  13. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kov fought skittishly but well under the circumstances. He's not capable of being the Krusher anymore, as was demonstrated in prior fights. It's not surprising a guy who got battered and stopped by the *other* Alvarez -- not exactly a big puncher -- and seriously hurt against Yarde would get stopped by Canelo. He did not seriously commit to his power shots against Eleidier in the rematch, either, and in fact said after the fight that he wanted to revert to a more boxing-oriented amateur style.

    Buddy McGirt told everyone what the gameplan was going to be against Canelo: "Sometimes when you got things going your way, you have the tendency to get laxed. I don’t care if you have to throw 15,000 jabs, then do that. Continue to keep that same focus until the fights over. In the, Yarde fight, he got lazy in the 7th and 8th round and you saw what happened. But then he went right back and took control again with the jab and you saw what happened. With Canelo, we gotta stay sharp and on point for one hour. One hour! Stay sharp with him for one hour because there is no overtime or extra innings. I need one hour, and he will be great."

    Kov tried to beat Canelo with the jab and in fact was giving him problems. He fought defensively in order not to get rocked with power shots, as he rightfully has lost confidence in his chin. And on a short camp and not fully healed, he did not appear to be in great shape. It's hardly counterintuitive that he'd choose to fight the way he did. It *is* counterintuitive that he would agree to fix a fight including getting KTFO in the 11th.
     
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  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You've responded to my post but not argued against the points made. And this is just false.. Kovalev did not show any of his dimensions against Canelo that he has showed against all previous opponents before :
    Kovalev neglected all his attributes he showed against bigger, heavier punchers in all of his fights previous - lateral, in out movement, hesitation to punches, commitment to his own punches. He throughout the fight did not sit down on punches and throughout the fight was pulling his punches.

    Kovalev showed much more hesitation to Yardes punches (and literally all other opponents before that) than Canelo's yet throughout his fight with Yarde he was committing to pretty much all his punches, stepping in, fully extending and not pulling punches. This is something he did not do against Canelo who was there to be hit and did not demonstrate excellent defence that night as he was just simply plodding forward and not moving his head. This was a Canelo moving up two weight classes, and was no KO artist at 154 (with his notable knockouts being a 140lber chinny Khan and nobody past it Kirkland)... But Kovalev was scared of Canelo's counters

    Yarde and Alvarez are massive 175lbs arguably cruise weights they hit hard. Yarde especially, and Kovalev was more hesitant against Yarde than he was Canelo. The last sentence is flat out false. He was stepping in with his punches, not pulling punches, and extending fully in that fight which is directly the opposite to what he was doing against Canelo.
     
  15. BCS8

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    It was fixed in the sense that Canelo picked Kovalev when he was over the hill, just after a brutal fight with Yarde, sprung a short camp on him and restricted his weight gain. He was basically facing the ghost of Kovalev, and even that shell of the great fighter was winning until he finally ran out of steam and got crumpled. A prime Kovalev would have smashed Canelo like a grape.