Don't be such a drama queen. Your friend luf just said that now he finally realizes that a draw is an acceptable result. You'd have to in a cult like trance to not realize that for all these years until now.
I hate the scoring of this fight and Ward-Kovalev. Both fights see supporters of the A-side doing complex math to show how their fighter COULD have CONCEIVABLY won the rounds that the official scorecards showed. It's a lot of "here's why your gut feeling about this is actually wrong. Here's why what your eyes are seeing and what is recorded for eternity is actually not true" These maniac fans have their egos intertwined with the success of someone who doesn't know they exist. They dig their heels in in an attempt to bend reality in a way that doesn't do damage to their ego. To them, if their fighter loses, they lose. These are not true fans of the sport of boxing.
Yep I agree. Way I see it, is the fight was close, close enough to warrant a rematch however it was scored. But Golovkin walked into the ring the champ, successfully defended his belts, and walked out of the ring still champ. Any arguments about Canelo winning can't really be justified round by round.
There was no emotional waffling in there. Just an accurate response to your scorecard and summary of what happened on the night. You're the one who just had an epiphany in finally realizing that a draw is an acceptable result. So you don't get to play the emotional attachment card with you only now coming to the realization that the fight was close, with many hard to score rounds, and that a draw is a reasonable result. Some of us have known this since the night it happened, and have been labeled fanboys by some for simply telling it like it is, that it was close, hard to score, that many rounds could go either way, that how you score it depends on what you focus on and value, etc for what you finally are coming to realize now.
Your 4th sentence, like I said at the time. Even now you are more bothered about "us vs them" it detracts from any valid points you make.
I found my scorecard next to a brown paper bag, and it said 118-110 Canelo. No idea how I got to that score, but I just mumble something about ring generalship and effective agression, and snatch that paper bag.
Fair enough, GGG walked in the ring as champ, successfully defended his belts, and walked out of the ring still champ. That much is true. But again this goes back to the argument that to beat the Champ, the challenger has to take the fight to the champ, come forward, walk through the Champ, etc which as a big storyline created by GGG fans to deflect from what happened. And of course it led to what happened in the rematch which was according to GGG fans what Canelo needed to do to win. Sure it can, in addition to your 6 possible Canelo rounds, there's also round 1, and some split of rounds 4-6. And while rounds 8 and 9 were GGG rounds for me due to work rate, Canelo did land the bset single shots in those rounds and kept those rounds relatively close as well with his defense and elusiveness. All in all, the only round that GGG really won start to finish with clean shots was round 7, which was his best clean jabbing round by far. 8 and 9 was more of the same from GGG from a work rate standpoint but with Canelo showing better defense against the jab in those rounds resulting in less clean effective jabs landed by GGG. Canelo never let GGG take control of the fight, even when giving away those rounds 7-9 by not throwing enough, it was part of a strategy to maintain being defensively responsible and forcing GGG to throw himself out to an extent which paid dividends in the championship rounds.
By friend I mean, you two seem to be on the same page as it pertains to this match, that GGG won, etc but luf has now finally come to the realization that a draw is an acceptable result. So do you concur with him that a draw is an acceptable result?
If a draw is an acceptable result, with rounds 1, 4, 5, and 6 going to GGG, then all you need is one of those rounds to go to Canelo for a Canelo victory, and frankly each of those rounds were extremely close.
First paragraph is more of what I cba with. Second is better. I think Canelo could be given rounds 1,2,3,10,11,12. I don't think he should, but I do think he could. 4-9 I can't see any argument against Golovkin having those rounds. But the problem I have with your analysis is you're saying Canelo never gave away control. Being forced onto the ropes and being out landed from mid range whilst there is the definition of losing control. We can pretend to know why Canelo did what he did, but it makes no difference. I'm upto round 5 of the rematch, Canelo has entirely changed his strategy, which tells enough of the story there.
A group of avid boxing fans should gather together and watch the first 2 fights thoroughly, in slow motion and score the rounds properly. Like jabs 1 points, power shots 2 points, uppercuts 2 points etc. This argument must end.