Rewatching Canelo vs Golovkin 1 rbr

But you didn't address or explain how the last 30 seconds of Round 3 swung the round in GGG's favor. You said Canelo threw the round away by "running". That's total nonsense, you have yet to explain how he threw the round away by doing that, while not getting hit during those 30 seconds, picking off a lot of GGG's shots with his gloves and landing a jab off the ropes.

Now you're doing what you just complained that I was doing to you, with the Champion's advantage argument, with you claiming that I'm just looking for reasons to score rounds to Canelo. I know you believe that, but I'm genuinely just trying to award rounds to the more deserving combatant. It is my view that you are ignoring the quality of Canelo's work and are not crediting these rounds appropriately. If I was looking for reasons to score rounds for Canelo, I would give Canelo rounds 5, 6, and maybe even 8 or 9 like Byrd did. But I don't go that far because I try and be as fair as can to GGG and keep his workrate in mind. I recognize rounds that he outworked Canelo like 8 and 9 even though he was rocked, and in round 5 where he finished strong. I could have easily given Canelo round 6 if I was really just giving anything close to Canelo but I genuinely am conflicted about that round and I'm certainly not the only one who finds that round hard to score. Further, unlike most GGG fans, I haven't taken a hard line stance in any rounds really besides round 3, I have made it very clear that there are many hard to score rounds and that I have no problem with those who scored several rounds to GGG that I gave to Canelo. You and other GGG fans though have not taken that kind of approach, it's very hard line win oriented approach with only a GGG win or a draw being acceptable. It's hard for me to believe that is just a coincidence, most GGG fans are unwilling to concede anything, they see everything through a pro-GGG prism, making excuses for why he lost, due to age, accuse Canelo of being a PED cheat despite obvious meat contamination. BTW what is your view on the clen - cheating, meat contamination or are you unsure? So it's very difficult to reason with GGG fans and my scoring challenges are as expected met with a lot of resistance but I'm prepared for it and am happy to engage anyone who genuinely wants to revistit the scoring here.

You're jumping the gun here. I think the argument that Canelo Mayweather wasn't a draw is fair. I didn't consider that a draw and never defended the draw card against Mayweathar. My stance is merely that is was closer than most people say it was. I had it about 8-4, 7-5 Mayweather. I am OK with 9-3, but disagree with extreme scores like 10-2 or a shutout. Canelo Lara, Canelo Trout and Canelo Jacobs were Canelo wins but I think it's fair to think Lara edged it. And Canelo GGG, despite me scoring both for Canelo, never said it wasn't fair to argue GGG won either match. The difference is, though, you don't think it's fair for me scoring the first match fr Canelo. So what you're accusing me of, not being open minded and accepting of opposing viewpoints, you're actually doing, while I've gone out of my way to make it clear that I am OK with people who thought GGG won or Lara won. Trout winning is more of a stretch for me, I'm less OK with that than Lara or GGG, due to the knockdown. I don't think it's fair to say that Jacobs won, because that was a much clearer win for Canelo in my mind, but I'm always open to hearing anyone's arguments. With Jacobs, against Canelo, it seems to me more about how close it was rather than if Jacobs won, whereas with Jacobs vs GGG some people actually had Jacobs winning, whereas against Canelo, pretty much everyone had Canelo winning.

You're entitled to your opinion, and you've given a brief description of what happened in each round, but in some rounds, your descriptors don't correlate to what actually happened in the round. Like you said GGG was defending just as well as Canelo did in Round 3, and I don't agree with that. Because GGG got hit with far more clean effective punches than Canelo did. GGG did have a couple of nice blocks in the round, but overall his guard and defense was not at Canelo's level that round.

And you also failed to recognize the masterful defense from Canelo in the last 30 seconds, GGG did nothing like that, so the argument that GGG defended as well as Canelo did in that round is patently untrue. The fact that the last 30 seconds caused you to score the round for GGG shows that you don't appreciate defense when you see it, and if you ignore that kind of defensive mastery then how can you judge what good defense is. Throughout the first 2:30 Canelo landed the vast majority of clean impactful punches, that's abundantly clear if you study the footage, and GGG landed nothing in the final 30 seconds to reverse what happened in the first 2:30 so your scoring that round to GGG is troubling to me, and I would hope that you would reexamine this round and better support your scoring, particularly as it pertains to the last 30 seconds and how that caused you to score the round to GGG.

 

It was an epiphany. You made it very clear that you were seeing something different than you ever did before, because this time, you started paying more attention to what Canelo was doing. That was the problem, in your previous viewings you weren't paying enough attention to what you were doing, you were only focusing on GGG, which is precisely what leads to biased scoring!!

Reminder, this is what you said :

So don't try and walk that back now and say it wasn't an epiphany. You flat admitted that you showed bias previously by not paying attention to what Canelo was doing and now this time you finally decided to pay attention to what Canelo was doing, and as a result, you realized, finally after 5 years of living in delusion, that a draw was an acceptable result.

 

And I'm not trying to beat you over the head with this. I applaud you for seeing it through a different prism and finally now realizing that Canelo did much better than you previously realized. But don't try to downplay it or pretend like this is just some minor change in how you viewed what happened. This is a very real problem that has affected peoples understanding of what happened here.

 

You are arguing with a moron that thinks the earth is flat. Good luck.

 

Can you please address the last 30 seconds in Round 3 and how that caused you to score the Round for GGG? This was a very strong round for Canelo over the first 2:30. He landed the vast majority of clean effective shots, and nothing happened in the last 30 seconds to offset that. If anything, the last 30 seconds only helped Canelo in the Defense and Ring Generalship scoring categories. Those last 30 seconds also greatly reduced GGG's connect % in that round.

 

GGG both fights

 

It was not even, Canelo was landing good shots, GGG was not landing the kind of shots that Canelo landed. The difference is very apparent. So much so that the commentators were praising Canelo throughout the round and talking about how well he was doing and how uncomfortable GGG was.

After the 1st minute :

Lampley : "Triple G seems clearly thrown off, by having to worry about counter punches from a power puncher."

At the midway point :

RJJ : "Triple G's breathing pretty hard already, Max he looks a little uncomfortable right here."

Max : "He's being outboxed."

Roy : "Yes."

Jim, Max and RJJ all notice GGG struggling, breathing heavily, being outboxed, and praising Canelo throughout the round, but you see it as just "eh, pretty even."

It does seem like we're watching two different rounds. I don't think you paid much attention to the quality of shots landed. The only thing even about it was both were throwing punches. There was one fighter landing quality shots, and the other wasn't.

In the last 30 seconds Canelo wasn't just backpeddling, he was fighting off the ropes, moving laterally, and blocking a lot of GGG punches. If he was "just backpeddling" then he wouldn't have blocked the amount of shots he did now would he. He also wasn't "being jabbed", unless you mean that he had jabs thrown at him, none of which landed. The only jab that landed in those 30 seconds was a jab by Canelo with 16 seconds on the clock. With Canelo against the ropes, GGG had his left hook blocked with 11 seconds left and then GGG tried a jab with 7 seconds left that fell short as Canelo danced away.

So in summary, GGG had no success whatsoever in landing punches in the final 30 seconds. Canelo made him miss punch after punch in succession which is a fabulous display of defensive mastery and ring generalship that you don't seem to notice or appreciate. Even worse, you have conclude that this dazzling display of defense was what won GGG the round. This was a round that Canelo was well ahead after 2:30 then in the final 30 seconds Canelo showcased his defense and his ability to make GGG miss punch after punch with high level defense and blocking off the ropes that made GGG look silly. I don't know how you can't see that or how you can interpret those final 30 seconds as giving GGG the round.

It's really not all that close if you are scoring the round properly, and are scoring it based on clean effective punching.

 

Pointing out their observations doesn't mean I'm influenced by them. I watched it and saw what they saw, what was very clearly apparent to anyone watching, that Canelo was having his way with GGG throughout the round, landing the better punches, putting it on GGG.

Concluding that Canelo threw the round away by giving GGG a ropes clinic is illogical. Your view of the round and particularly how you interpret and credit the last 30 seconds is highly suspect.

 

Id like to say im sorry it troubles you but id be lying if i said it did

Truth is i care for neither fighter on a level

I just see if differently to you