Longest a title challenger has been stoned walled (post Color Line)?

Toney could probably decision Vitali on the right night but gets outpointed by Wlad.

 

The colour bar prevented Manchester welterweight, len Johnson, and other s like him from striking out and achieving more. The national sporting club had a hand in this because of a so called slight on them, by Jack Johnson. It was in 1948 in the UK when the colour bar was gone.
Dick Turpin, Randy's bruv, was the first to strike out and won the British middle weight title.

 

Your saying he first fought in an eliminator in 2016 but there's a difference between an eliminator and a final eliminator and can you refer to what this eliminator in 2016 was because I don't recall it. Luis Ortiz has just beaten Charles Martin in an IBF eliminator and they've told him he has to fight Filip Hrgovic in a final eliminator it's all in the small print.

Speaking of Luis Ortiz, Whyte rejected an offer by the WBC of a final eliminator vs him and Whyte's fans went on as if this was some sort of controversial thing and completely ignored the fact that he could have got the Wilder fight much quicker if he fought Ortiz and managed to beat him which would be no formality.

Whyte is only the mandatory now, since his last fight and he's getting the shot.

Whyte HAS NOT been mandatory since 2016, he's been number 1 ranked which is completely different. I'll repeat he refused a final eliminator, he refused a title shot vs. Anthony Joshua, he failed a steroid test in his vacant Interim title fight which froze his status with the WBC for the best part of a year until Hearn bribed off the testing committee or at least that's what it looked like to me as that matter most definitely wasn't fully resolved, at best you can say expensive lawyers got him out with a loop hole otherwise he'd probably have been looking at a 5 year ban.

So no absolutely Whyte hasn't been hard done by like your trying to imply. Look at Golovkin, he held the WBC Interim title for a good while before he finally got a shot at the WBC title which Martinez, Canelo and Cotto had been passing about at catchweights against each other and welterweights, no knock out defeats, no failed steroid tests, he also had to wait a long time to finally get the proper WBA title as everyone was ducking him like the plauge.

Martinez was also hard done by with the WBC and was basically robbed out of his title with technicalities so they could gift it to Chavez Jr. That's just a few off the top of my head who've had a much harder time than Whyte who hasn't been hard done by whatsoever.

Could you imagine Hagler before he had a shot refusing a chance to fight for the unified title or refusing a final eliminator and failing steroid tests.

 

Promoters run the sport they get the money and the sanctioning bodies essentially just milk a bit from them to add a bit of prestige and pinash to big fights by saying it's for their title. Fighters that generate a lot of money always get looked after by the sanctioning bodies.

The IBF were caught on camera taking bribes and they are the most integral and true to their ranking of all the 4 main sanctioning bodies.

Money makes the world go round unfortunately and there's always been an A and B side to negotiations. Dillian Whyte has approached all negotiations for him to get a title fight as if he's the A side which he clearly isn't and during that time he's been KO'd, should have lost the first fight to Chisora, failed a steroid test and refused an eliminator so hardly the worst done by.

And good I hope you weren't playing the you know what card with your original post as that would be a pathetic argument what was going on back then was completely different and if you were playing that card realistically you should be looking at a ban for it.

 

and it was only lifted because ALL the Best Big Boys were near their end and retiring.

the new Heavyweights were Don C ockell, Jack Gardner & Johnny Williams... none at L-HW and only Randolph Turpin at Middleweight cum L-HW.

Roderick, McAvoy, Gilroy, Mills & Woodcock were all near finished and soon retiring... 'IF' there were a sure shot WHITE Middle or Light-heavy, that Colour Bar would have stubbornly remained for another few years.

the BBBofC, were an Arrogant Stuffy English OLD Boys Club & Rule Britannia pompous despotic body.

only NEEDS Must, not dignity or decency for moral change, among a despicable privileged elite.

 

I'll say this about governments and covid. Boxing didn't need to stop. Maybe fights needed to be held outside, or held without fans, but the fights themselves could have gone on, given that you really only need to test the two fighters, the ref, and the announcer. Nobody from the different camps needs to go near each other.

Sucks that this stuff impacted the career of fighters.

... hell, during lockdown, i'd have been happy to pay the PPV fees multiple nights a week for halfway decent boxing cards.

 

Has as always been the case tbh.

 

The whole thing was unnecessary and unlawful. Still though wasn't the boxing world to blame for that.

Whyte won the WBC interim title in 2019 which is tainted by a failed drugs test that held things up about a year for him, the lockdown held things up about a year, getting knocked out vs Povetkin did too and now he's getting a title shot less than three years after despite all that.

The fact that Whyte got an immediate rematch with what appeared to be a very compromised Povetkin who probably shouldn't have even boxing tells you how looked after he's been.

The situation in the past is completely different really is a pathetic thread this.

Just shows how man casuals get all their info from Eddie Hearn's lies on ifl interviews.

 

Not really because you have asked the question about an active fighter. I've given you examples of other active fighters who've been stone walled harder than Dillian.

There's a difference between not being allowed a title fight no matter what vs. waiting a long time to get one because you're a diva and want more millions.

 

Moore
LaMotta
Burley
Greb

 

Prior to the first Chisora fight who had Whyte beaten that warranted a world ranking? Dave Allen was probably his most notable win at that point.

Does he deserve a chance now yes but he's not been avoided or kept down by the boxing powers. The reason the fighters you mentioned got a shot quicker is they were under the same management as Wilder who was WBC champion at the time just like Whyte got offered a shot vs. Joshua even though there was fighters ranked above him.

 

I'm not going to go deep into detail on this but Whyte declined eliminators with Ortiz, tested positive for steroids, and got sparked clean out by Povetkin. It's not quite the same as being stone walled. And he took orders from Hearn, which appeared to be breadcrumbs to a fight with Joshua.

There's a strong contingent of UK fans who seem to think that "surely that's good enough" is how to get a title shot although in reality you have to follow the guidelines of the sanctioning body.

During the same era, Fres Oqurndo had a court ordered title shot that never materialized in something like a decade.