the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I always thought Alli's trouble was too much wasted energy, he does alot of unnecessary things. I remember he was doing well early vs Arroyo aswell then faded late.

 

You know what I just noticed @salsanchezfan two judges scored the last round 10-8. In my write I said I came close to scoring the last round 10-8, that's actually interesting as you don't normally see judges, score rounds 10-8 without a knockdown normally.

 

Agreed. I think he felt he had to do that because he was so featherfisted and probably had to therefore show extra flash and appear to be doing more to compensate. Worked on me I guess.

 

Derrell Coley vs Terrence Alli

1 Coley
2 Coley
3 Alli
4 Coley
5 Alli
6 Coley
7 Coley
8 Coley
9 Even
10 Coley
11 Coley wins by TKO

98-93 Coley

Decided to watch another Alli fight this time against an upcoming Derrell Coley, i thought this was an impressive performance from Coley. I was impressed with Coley in the Oba Carr fight, and i was impressed with him in this fight. Alli was the constant aggressor but he was never able to really find Coley, who outboxed him with some clever boxing on the outside, and some vicious combinations.

Coley seemed a little tired in the middle rounds, but soon got his 2nd wind and cruised to victory mostly after the 6th round. The stoppage in the 11th was a good one i had no issue with the referee stopping it.

People often talk about Oba Carr being an underachiever, but what about Derrell Coley ? looking at his fights he was very talented. And to think he never won a world title, just shows you how strong the Welterweight era was in the 90s.

 

Alli had an unusual, and almost certainly coached/taught, counterpunching style that you don’t see often. We caught it and taught it sometimes in our gym (although not as a primary way of fighting, just a tool to have in the toolbox and a good reflex drill).

He kept a very high guard and if you threw a left sometimes he’d block/catch it with his right glove and throw a right straight back. Or if you threw a fight he’d do the same with the left. Just straight punches, usually not much on them, but it’s irritating as heck to fight a guy and you throw and don’t land and as your hand’s coming back you get hit … it can discourage you from throwing if you let it get to you.

Probably more useful in amateur boxing but still an interesting approach. He didn’t literally do this with every punch but does it often enough that you can see it’s part of his style.

 

Thomas Hearns W12 Luigi Minchillo

I missed this one back in the day, and was curious how Hearns looked in the fight preceding his triumphant return to "Hitman" status in the Duran fight just a few months later. He looked good. He was fine, he had some swagger fighting in front of a hometown crowd, he was blindingly fast, showed nice feet, his punches popped, all that was fine. Honestly though, to me Minchillo was the story.

Oh my God was he tough. I don't know that I've ever seen a display of chin quite like this, he glories in taking those vaunted rights from Hearns, who returned to assassin form and was really ripping his shots in there. At one point, Minchillo actually walked right into a right hand thrown with horrible intent. Usually, walking straight into a punch that way magnifies the effect, and with a puncher like Hearns delivering the shot.......well, the results are typically impressive but Minchillo never once seemed that close to going down. Astounding toughness.

It turned out to be a pretty easy fight to score, too. I allowed only a share of the ninth to Minchillo possibly out of a sudden need I felt to award him something for his trouble. For Hearns, it was 12 hard rounds of hard flurries and avoiding Minchillo's persistent if mostly ineffective offensive lunges. He had to work though, which he needed being off so long healing his right hand. I was watching to see if he'd hurt it along the way but I don't think so, given the way he opened up with it in the 12th. I think he saw how resilient Minchillo was and decided after a time that he was going to use his left for the most part and not chance breaking the right hand again. It seemed okay though and that had to give him confidence going into the Duran bout.

120-109 Hearns.

 

Buster Douglas v Tony Tucker (vacant IBF heavyweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Douglas
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Douglas
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-9 Tucker
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: Tucker stops Douglas

Total through 9 completed rounds: 89-85 Douglas (actual scores: 86-85 Douglas, 86-85 Tucker and 86-86 Even)

Not the most exciting bout - just brief moments here and there - still, I wanted to see it again after seeing it live back in the day. At first I thought was that stoppage a bit premature, but no, Douglas made no protest and he looked a beat man when he flopped on his stool. The two just lacked a bit of fire and Douglas did appear to be fatiguing. Amazing the difference training can do for a fighter when he went against Tyson. Either that or the stars just aligned right.

 

Your ninth round is what we used to call ‘give him a round for showing up’ when a guy takes a one-sided pasting yet hangs in there for the distance, haha.

Minchillo was equally game (and a bit more competitive) against Duran on Roberto’s post-no-mas comeback tour. IIRC it was Roberto’s second fight back (I scored it here a couple months ago or so).

Tougher than a ten-penny nail driven through a $2 steak.

 

The Duran-Minchillo fight is next, as I want to see now how he does against an infighter.

 

Found my score from early February (there’s a full post with narrative if you want to track it down, I think Feb. 6):


1. 10-9 Duran (close)

2. 10-9 Duran

3. 10-9 Duran

4. 10-9 Minchillo

5. 10-9 Duran

6. 10-9 Duran

7. 10-9 Duran

8. 10-9 Duran

9. 10-9 Duran (close)

10. 10-9 Duran

My score: 99-91 Duran. Official scores, all for Duran: 100-90, 100-91 and 98-92.

 

Tyson Fury vs Dillian Whyte

1 Fury
2 Fury
3 Fury
4 Fury
5 Fury
6 Fury scores a knockdown and the referee stops the fight

50-45 Fury

Didn't really enjoy this i thought it was a sloppy boring fight to watch, i really ain't a fan of the Super Heavyweights in the modern era. Whyte looked crap looked like he was fighting underwater he was so slow, never made any impact on Fury what so ever. And Fury just did what he did box on the outside using his reach, never allowing Whyte to get close to him.

To be honest the only good thing about this fight is the ending, where Fury landed a peach of an uppercut which knocked out Whyte's tooth. If anyone is looking to score this i wouldn't bother, it was a one sided drab boring sloppy affair, just watch it for the stoppage at the end and avoid the rest of the fight.

 

Roberto Duran W10 Luigi Minchillo

I wanted to see how the genuinely tough Minchillo did against an infighter after watching him battered at arm's length by Hearns.

I have to say, I actually thought he showed more effects from Duran's shots than Hearns'. He was still insanely rugged, but Duran's brutal infighting had him backing off in a way Hearns never managed.

Duran is special in so many ways but chief among them is his uncanny ability to shift and adjust his distance and angles inside. Where most others would fall into clinches and try to paw with short arm punches, Duran knows how to extricate himself and maintain the optimal punching distance, all the while moving and slithering and slipping and rolling, somehow making himself hard to hit while exacting his pound of flesh. He is absolutely unparalleled at this.

99- 91 Duran. I gave the gutty Italian only the first, and then Duran ran the tables.

 

Jose Luis Ramirez v Terrence Alli (vacant WBC lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 4: 10-9 Alli
Round 5: 10-9 Alli
Round 6: 10-9 Alli
Round 7: 10-9 Alli
Round 8: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 9: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 10: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 11: 10-9 Ramirez
Round 12: 10-9 Ramirez (I wouldn't disagree with anyone if they scored the 12th 10-8)

Total: 116-113 Ramirez (actual scores: 115-113, 115-113 and 114-113 all for Ramirez)

Sal, you, @Dynamicpuncher and I had 3 different results on this one. And with rounds as close as these, I'm not surprised. What a terrific little contest. Thanks for the recommendation, my man.

 

However one might score this fight, Jose Luis Ramirez is one of the most underrated guys of a generation. He was treated as an afterthought but pretty much a tough out for anyone once he matured.

The Mancini fight (not necessarily losing but basically being shut out) is still a head-scratcher, but I think JLR after that transformed himself, gaining confidence by winning the Mexican lightweight title and fighting some tough hombres that made him dig deep and improve so he would swim rather than sink.

 

Which mexican Jose Luis you rate higher?
Castillo or Ramirez?