Errol Spence is top 10 h2h at welterweight

Antonio Margarito is a much better fighter than Shawn Porter, and that's not even debatable. Shawn is better technically, is more athletic, but he isn't as tough, isn't as strong, isn't as heavy handed and is much easier to deter. He'd walk through Spence. You're high if you think Porter has a higher workrate. Margarito threw more than TWICE as many shots against Clottey as Porter did against Spence. Embarrassing statement. I actually have quite a lot to say about Spence's opposition, and his attitude towards facing top opponents every time out is refreshing, albeit clearly a rouse used to avoid Crawford. It's not that I have nothing positive to say about Spence's competition, it's that YOU have decided to compare him to welterweight legends, and five good wins over a historically mediocre bunch isn't impressive. Especially not when you've hardly set the world on fire against them. Imagine Leonard being down on the cards after eight against Brook, needing a KD to beat Porter or failing to stop Garcia. It just wouldn't happen, because he's way too good.

Gavilan, Leonard, Rodriguez and Napoles are massive favourites over Mayweather. Duran and Armstrong are also large favourites. Especially at welter. Go and watch some of their fights before you talk about them. And no, there aren't millions of very intelligent and knowledgeable who would disagreement with that, they're aren't even millions of people who've watched a Kid Gavilan fight. And even if there were, it wouldn't matter, because it's my top ten. And it's hardly a nostalgia bias, I have Mayweather in my top five best fighters ever, but he wasn't a welterweight. Also, Whitaker is completely comparable to Mayweather defensively, and so is Benitez. There's nothing debatable there.

Leonard washed Ayub Kalule by taking away his jab and not allowing him to move in. And he Leonard managed to out-box Marvin Hagler, who is literally better at everything than Spence. Furthermore, go back and watch some Leonard. Spence isn't better at throwing uppercuts or body shots, nor is he better on the inside. Leonard was far more explosive as well, making up for the small difference in raw power.

You can both be by the book, and versatile. Spence does all of those things quite well, but he's extremely regimented in all of them. That'd be disastrous against somebody like Duran. And also, Duran would break Spence's wide base so easily. And Spence's defence is almost entirely based off being able to read his opponent. Nobody was reading Duran's feints, not even Sugar Ray Leonard. He'd tie Spence in knots. It'd wind up looking like a longer version of the Moore fight.

But forget all that, I'm sure beating Duran was as simple as stepping back and throwing an uppercut. I wonder why noone ever tried that? I wonder why that didn't lead to a stoppage against Shawn Porter.

"They weren't at welterweight" is the shittest argument I've ever heard. So what? If anything, that makes it more impressive. Those guys were bigger than Spence, and in Hagler's case, FAR better and more dangerous. Mikey gave up and went into survival mode. Spence couldn't stop him. A man who offered no actual effort at winning, and was half his size. That performance isn't the positive you think it is. And Mikey at 147, or any weight, is thousands of levels below Duran. Also, your logic is so backwards. Spence is on a similar level to Leonard, but he batters and stops Duran? Did you miss what happened when Leonard fought an inshape Duran?

Spence isn't beating the dog**** out of any great fighter. Least of all one far more explosive, talented, dynamic, skilled and mobile. All versions of Pacquiao at welterweight have been more skilled than Spence. The version who fought DLH would batter Spence seven ways from Sunday. He'd draw the jab, and counter it easily. He'd move out and then light Spence up as he come in. He's so much quicker and so much better at controling the range that he'd leave Spence in the dust. The only versions of Pacquiao Spence would've beaten are the ones in the second half of the 2010s. Anything from Mayweather and earlier beats him.

Arum and Roach feared for Pacquiao's life against Spence did they? you can't make this **** up.

And btw, when a fighter is badly hurt, by punches, and falls into the ropes and is held up by them, that's a knockdown. Just coz the referee was inept doesn't change that, in the exact same way how Crawford was down against Kavaliauskas.

The absolute delusion you've shown in Spence's abilities is one of saddest, most misguided things I've ever seen on this forum. I'm going to let you wallow in it now. I'll be sure to come back though when Crawford knocks him out.

 

I had a good chuckle when dude said Spence would be breaking ribs when dude couldn’t even knock down Mikey freaking Garcia. Whole thread is jokes.

 

I'm sure Glass could make Michael Gomez sound like Henry Armstrong if you left him alone for long enough.

 

Glass has taken the eye test to a whole new level.

Might aswell just say Spence is your favorite fighter and thst s that.

 

@Maidanas Gun Tattoo am I right in thinking you're from Miles Platting? Or was it Collyhust?

 

I can give you porter looked better for bud
but brook face was broken by errol cant give that 1 to bud

 

Sorry but no. I don’t know who or what that is.

 

Welp, now don't I feel weird

Just for context, Miles Platting and Collyhust are places in North Manchester. Both are near where I train and go to college. there's a poster on here who lives in one of them, and I thought it was you but clearly not.

 

If Crawford would have hit him in the face that many times, he wouldn't have no face. Crawford didn't have to break that kind of sweat. That is what makes his fight the better one for me. If Spence could have stopped Brook earlier, he would have.

 

At least I learned of 2 new places, thanks.

 

If you'd ever been there, you'd have wished you'd have never heard of them

 

I’ll take your word for it and take a gander on google earth instead.

 

What a post lol

 

Not a prime Pacquiao, no way