Also @lufcrazy since you pressed me so hard on my range of "acceptable" scores, it's only fair that I ask you the same question. So how wide of a GGG win do you consider an acceptable score? You scored it 117-111, and made it clear that you consider 114-114 "acceptable". But what about the other extreme? Do you consider 118-110 GGG "acceptable"? 119-109 GGG "acceptable"? How wide of a GGG win do you consider acceptable?
9-3 Jacobs my ass, but its clear you have had **** drained in your arse, by the tagline in your Avi. Lol, i aint judging you, but ughhh....TMI bro!
This is what I mean about consistency. If you are going to insist only 7 rounds can go to Golovkin, but close rounds should be split, you are saying not all of those 7 rounds should go to Golovkin. Therefore you are saying a Golovkin win isn't acceptable, despite saying it is acceptable. Hence the inconsistency. And there's no drama with you thinking 116-112 is finally acceptable, it's the opposite of drama, it's progress.
If you read what I said, I didn't boldly insist "only" 7 rounds can go to Golovkin. And you were the one who tried to pin me down on specific rounds so it's only fair that I ask you the same question. I didn't flat out state that 116-112 GGG is unreasonable, I stated that 116-112 GGG or wider demanded further examination.
OK which rounds do you now think could go to Golovkin? For me all but rounds 2 and 10 can be Golovkin rounds.
As it stands, 1,4,5,6,7,8,9. Haven't really taken a deep dive into 10-12 since we've been focused on the earlier rounds. That's interesting because a lot of posters have argued that GGG won Round 10. The argument was based in the fact that Canelo was "too negative" for the last 2 minutes after the strong 1st minute. So they scored it to GGG primarily because Canelo did too much "backpeddling". It's interesting that you find that unacceptable, reveals an inconsistency between that and your round 3 logic.
So 7 rounds. Yet not all of them should go to Golovkin because that's unfair with close rounds, so no path to a Golovkin victory right? See this is where we're different, I don't find that interesting because I'm not bothered about silly arguments between groups of fans. You asked me which rounds I wouldn't give to Golovkin. I've told you, rounds 2 and rounds 10. Ive explained why when I scored each round, rbr. It's interesting to note in 5 years you've never taken a deep dive into rounds 10-12. Maybe if you watch them again you will find another round you can score to Golovkin, thus accepting your realisation about 116-112. I'm glad you're learning from this and now deciding to do a deep dive into those later rounds.
The path to a Golovkin victory is a narrow one. I don't just give him rounds for coming forward or being the aggressor. If someone gave GGG one of the later rounds, I'm willing to look into it and try to see what they were seeing. I wouldn't just shoot it down as crazy. Like with round 11, I'm willing to rewatch it and hear you out to understand why you scored it that way, to see if that's reasonable to me. I personally didn't find 10-12 as that difficult to score, but you obviously did, at least 11 and 12, and a good amount scored round 10 to GGG. So I don't personally see those as possible GGG rounds, but I'm willing to take another look and examine how close those really were. Well the point of RBRs is to compare peoples scorecards, to see which rounds people gave to who. By the way, I agree with you that 2 and 10 should not be given to GGG. In fact, I've always thought Round 12 was closer than Round 10, and I found myself surprised at how many people argued Round 10 for GGG. So I'm glad we agree on that. Well I didn't think I needed to take a deeper dive because on the surface they each seemed like pretty clear Canelo rounds. In addition, all 3 judges gave all 3 of those rounds to Canelo. So they weren't like round 3 where 2 judges gave that to GGG. Harold Lederman gave Round 10 to GGG while giving Rounds 11 and 12 to Canelo. So the 3 judges and Harold Lederman all agreed that Canelo won Round 11. But you disagreed, you for some reason gave that to GGG. The question is why. You noted that Golovkin was "walking him down and pushing him back" so I'm wondering if this was another "aggressor tiebreak" round for you.
Well it goes further than narrow for you. Because you said all 7 close rounds shouldn't be scored for Golovkin, the close rounds should be split, so therefore a Golovkin win can't be reached. Or can it, because in other posts you've said it can, hence the contradiction I'm trying to solve. I'm glad we agree. I note again how you are influenced by commentary, and even more bizzarely by official judges, even though presumably you scored the rounds before seeing their score. But atleast now you see the need to deeper dive, see now we're making progress with you again.
Canelo wins by stoppage this time. Age catches up with everyone, and it's caught up with Golovkin. It's a shame as i'm a huge fan of Golovkin, but Canelo is a beast at his prime right now.
I think Canelo stops him as well tbh. But after seeing Golovkin beat Murata, it is indeed a fight I'm once again interested in. Golovkin, age or not, is still the best MW on the planet and he proved that against Murata.
I'm always interested in Golovkin, but he did look like a very declining fighter in my opinion against Murata, which just shows you how highly i rated a prime Golovkin. I think he's going to get bullied and beaten this time by Canelo who right now is at his peak.
Declined, definitely. He's a far cry from the man who cut through Macklin like a knife through butter 9 years ago. But he's still a force to be reckoned with. He looks stronger now, and definitely has a better jab. His feet are not what they once where, but his timing has continually improved throughout his career. His speed is obviously a lot reduced but his ring IQ will be undoubtedly higher. Don't get me wrong, he's not as good as he used to be, but he's still very good in my opinion. Good enough that I'm intrigued by the matchups.