Does Canelo going for more belts almost go against the spirit of boxing?

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  1. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    A fighter seeking belts is not my favorite thing but there are good reasons for it. There are a plethora of weight classes and four belts in each of them. Such is the current boxing landscape. Alvarez is continuously looking for new challenges to stay motivated and to make money. There aren't many boxers who can challenge him so collecting world championships is his goal. While I much prefer a boxer staying at and dominating one weight class, ala Gennady Golovkin, you cannot knock Canelo for trying to win world championships. After all, that is the ultimate goal.

    If there were less weight classes and just one champ in each this kind of stuff wouldn't happen very often. A belt would have considerably more significance than it currently does and winning a title at another weight class would be more difficult because the opponent would be the lineal champion.

    Also, Alvarez is not the first one to do it. Certainly, Sugar Ray Leonard laid the groundwork for the modern-day belt chaser. I think I'll blame him. LOL
     
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  2. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    They are collectors items for him, he is chasing numbers for his legacy.

    He can so he is going for the belts, numbers talk it is just way it is, it is down to the champions he faces to stop him, to date other than Floyd no one has.
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    So, um, the argument here is that we dont want the best fighters facing each other? Hmm... Sounds like im back on the forum alright.
     
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  4. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    The 168 clean up was just that—Canelo sweeping a weaker division and now he is challenging himself at 175.

    I can live with all this bouncing around as it just highlights he’s always been a bigger fighter than he “claimed” or “wanted “ to be depending who was down the path waiting for him
     
  5. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, I didn't say that.

    Nor am I saying that he should he commit himself to the supermiddleweight division for x number of years before he can do anything else and (as mentioned in an earlier post) there is still someone of note in the supermiddleweight division that Canelo can defend his belts against.

    But going from middleweight up to light-heavyweight, winning the WBO title, vacating it six weeks later, going down to supermiddleweight, winning the four major belts and then going up to fight for a light-heavyweight title again does seem to me like he is collecting belts.

    And if the WBO and IBF titles had been held by different fighters when Canelo fought for them, would he have then stuck around in the supermiddleweight division to defend his four belts against Saunders and Plant?

    I'm not so sure he would.
     
  6. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe it doesn't sit well with you because it's just disguised cherrypicking? I wonder when dominating one division became a bad thing.
     
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  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree he was, as you say, cleaning up the 168 belts.

    Let's suppose that Saunders and Plant did not hold 168 belts but lesser fighters did instead.
    If Canelo fought these weaker opponents for the belts, I very much doubt he would have defended the four belts against Saunders and Plant, he would have still moved up to 175.

    So it can be argued that, in this case, it was not about the best fighting the best as has been mentioned. It was about the belts.
     
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  8. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Chasing challenges is good, but picking off easy champions as the A-side, then vacating to avoid dangerous opponents is not why the system of world champions was created. It was created so the best fight the best and then we know who the best is without a debate amongst deluded and subjective fans.

    Canelo has taken boxing corruption to the next level. He is popular with teenage Mexican teenagers, casuals in general, and nut huggers who claim they are boxing aficionados. He clearly takes PEDS, that is undeniable, the only argument now is how much. He has had numerous gift decisions, but stealing the belts from Golovkin was probably the worst in terms of how badly he lost and how much he stole. Since then he has continued PEDding his resume with selected scalps. There was something seriously wrong with the Kovalev fight, Callum Smith was not given time to prepare, and he has beaten some weaker champions.

    He is nowhere near P4P given a past prime GGG was clearly a better fighter. PED boy has now waited this long to ensure GGG is a brown banana in terms of how ripe he has become.

    To me, boxing corruption, which started with the multi-belt era (htf can there be 2 world champions?) has allowed Canelo to exist because he brings in the big bucks when all the casuals watch his fight and squeal like little girls when he wins. The end game is boxing dies because of the corruption.
     
  9. Bubba

    Bubba Dana is the greatest combat sports promoter -Max K Full Member

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    I'm still amazed that Canelo was awarded all the super middleweight belts without fighting the best boxer in that division.
     
  10. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Benavidez is a harder fight that Bivol. Similar styles but Benavidez is longer and more powerful.
     
  11. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Might be the dumbest take I've read on here in some time.
     
  12. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Every boxer is "ducking" every fighter they arent in training camp for, by definition.

    You judge what happens in the ring. Not what doesnt happen or what you wish would happen. Thats wack and explains a lot of the moaning and bewildering opinions some people regurgitate endlessly on here. Because they dont want to judge what is actually happening or has happened.
     
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  13. buster007

    buster007 FAB 4 R A GAY PORN CLUB Full Member

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    match fixing? haha, ok.
     
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  14. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Alvarez's weakness is for uppercuts to his chin, so, therefore, any prime, decent heavyweight he faces with a good uppercut is going to KO him to sleep and that is why he would be best off retiring ASAP>
     
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  15. buster007

    buster007 FAB 4 R A GAY PORN CLUB Full Member

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    nothing wrong with what canelo is doing imo.
     
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