Is Tyson Fury the Best British Heavyweight of All Time?

Yes and the aged Holyfield is a cornerstone of Lewis status. Who else?
Wilder: say what you want but he is better than McCall and Rahman. His reign not worse than Vitali's challenges.

 

Bruno, Ruddock KO2, Tua, Golota KO1, Grant KO2, past it Morrison, Mercer, and Vitali. Also Undisputed champion

Leagues beyond Fury's record of wins but sadly at a cost of 2 losses. Loss 1: Mccall when he was preprime and loss 2: An emberassing KO loss against Rahman. But he avenged both of them and beat everyone he faced like Fury. Especially the Rahman fight. Absolutely devastating KO revenge.

 

Why mentioned McDermott a very early loss for Fury as English title level? But you think Rahman and McCall world title losses mentioned is "lame".

Face it. The day Fury gets put old cold by a plodder like Rahman you same guys will be jumping up and down to shout that he is so overrated.

 

Yes more wins over ranked challenges but some of them are very overrated. And yes, 2 knocked out losses. So it is close between him and Fury. People did say even if he beats Usyk unbeaten, he is "far behind". That's not right.

 

Way more wins over ranked fighters in a better era

 

Not a better era. Not really. Michael Grant and Kirk Johnson were top 3 in ring magazine rating when Lewis was champ. Golota was big hype quitter couldn't even beat Grant. But nostalgia distorts.

 

Lennox, and by some distance.

 

Rahman and McCall smashed your guy. Vitali stopped on a cut and no rematch.

 

I didn't give you Hennessy's story per se, I gave you what was documented contemporaneously (though most who evoke the Fury-Price saga neglect the pesky details for, uh, reasons).

Come on, man. Imagine if Mick had lost the purse bid and then his fighter vacated. It didn't matter whether Mick put a bid in, he knew and they knew he didn't have the resources to compete with various interested parties.

Again, as Baloney himself put it (with additional material to further illustrate the point);

"The BBBofC have purse bids for a reason and this fight generated more interest than normal with all the top promoters in the UK bidding for it.

As a promoter you take a risk when it comes to purse bids, you can bid too high and make a massive loss or too low and stand the chance that your fighter will fight on another promotion and TV channel."


Mick did, however, offer Price a £100,000 purse to do the fight on C5 with the great exposure of boxing in front of a terrestrial viewing audience of millions (check C5's Fury-Chisora I viewing figures, and consider that Fury-Price on the same station would almost certainly have comfortably exceeded those, given the promotability of the bout).

Perhaps Price and Baloney should've jumped at that opportunity if they fancied the job so much?

 

Because the year Johnson was top 10 was the same year he beat Maskaev. For example. Adam Kownacki, who is trash in this era let alone compared to fighters in the 90s, was in the top 10 back in 2019. Luis Ortiz hadn't beaten anybody of significance in 3 years and he was also top 10 that year, probably just to prop of that bronze resume. Jarell ****ing Miller was top 10 before he got banned, Whyte is top 10 and he got chinned by the ancient remains of yesteryear who was also top 10 back in the infamous "weak Klitschko era". Michael Hunter is top 10 and he looked the part until he just got a gift decision against a journeyman. Who's to say Henry Akinwande who was a tall mediocre wouldn't beat guys like Joseph Parker and Michael Hunter. Hrgovic and Sanchez are also top 10 and they look promising but as of this moment, they've beaten NO ONE. This era is overrated but Usyk and Fury are excellent fighters and give any ATG trouble i will admit that.

However it was the year 2001 and on where you started to see a decline in quality talent looking back at the top 10. The bulk of Lewis's resume is pre-2001 afterall

 

Kirk Johnson was top 3 in Lewis reign. Top 3. That indicates probably not a great era because Johnson really was not great. I'm not trashing or bashing Lewis and the era but people are simply saying 'better era' but just saying it without backing up with reasons.
McCall. Akinwande. Mavrovic. Briggs. Mercer. Morrison. Tucker. Honest opinion some of these 1990s heavyweight would be fodder of Wilder, almost that bad. Some would struggle to win with Whyte even.

 

Rather it be Kirk Johnson than Jarell Miller and other mediocre or unproven fighters like Kownacki or Sanchez or Hrgovic or Hunter. Because at least Kirk Johnson beat Maskev and was ahead on the cards against Ruiz until the disqualification and his other loss being to none other than Vitali Klitschko.

Morrison has a better resume than Wilder and Whyte although Wilder could definitely KO him. Mercer chins Whyte. Whyte got murdered by Povetkin, Joshua, arguably lost to Chisora in the first fight and went life and death with Parker. Whyte is not beating Mercer and Morrison probably lands first because he's faster and more explosive and skilled. Mercer could also beat Wilder as his chin was cast Iron and he could outbox him so how is he fodder ? Name me Wilders best wins. Because you're putting the guy on a pedestal

 

When was Johnson top 3?
I looked at the Ring’s annual ratings and he never made it higher than no 5 no?
But you cant base an era-which was on the tail end of Lewis’s career-on one guy.

 

End of 2000.
3. Kirk Johnson.

Of course you can't base era on one guy. But what is reason for saying Lewis era much better than today?

 

This exactly!
Lennox' era had Bowe, Tyson, Witherspoon, Holyfield, Vitali, Mercer, Tua, Moorer, Tucker, old Foreman, Wlad, Golota, Ruddock, Morrison and a lot more. It also was a peak juicing era, which made it even stronger.
Going by some weak Ring ratings somewhere in his career is pushing an agenda.