Fury is ducking usyk 100%

AJ would have been a problem for fury before he lost to ruiz and became gun shy, now he would get stopped. That ruiz beat down really did a number on AJ's mentality as a fighter. He's terrified of getting hit now.

 

My personal opinion is Fury beats Usyk, now. But I can't help but feel this is a strategic short-term retirement.

If Usyk beats Joshua again, I half expect Fury to go off and fight that MMA guy, just leaving Usyk to age a little more to lose some mobility, then Fury will come out of retirement, and big man him.

Sure there is money fighting that MMA guy, but there is money in undisputed. And it just feels a bit off to me if he wastes what is left of his prime on an exhibition, and Usyk's

 

You are trying to go off subject to suit your argument and looking at others individual losses rather than whole careers
First off take wear and tear into consideration. Even if you feel Chisora beat Helenius, it doesn't remove what a tough fight it was. Now that fight alone, I'm not saying took it out of Chisora but look at the whole career leading to the fight you are referring to. He has suffered several defeats and been in tough draining fights in that time.
You are arguing that Chisora was not faded and at his best at 41 fights and 9 defeats in his middle late 30s after a grueling career

If you genuinely do, then fair enough. I can agree to disagree, but do you really feel Chisora hasn't faded at all from when he was in his late 20s and 20-0-4, compared to him in his middle late 30s and 32-0-9 having been involved in tough draining fights in that time between with Fury, twice with Whyte, Takam not including some of the other losses

Really?

 

I don't think 36 is a death sentence in HW boxing, some guys hit their peak in their mid 30s.

Look at his career just after and before his fight with Usyk at age 36, and find a better stretch in his career:

Loses very controversial decision to Parker most fans have him winning on Boxrec
Gives Usyk a good fight despite wide scorecard loss
Batters and KOs Price in four, one of the best wins of his career
KOs a past it Spzilka in two, still one of the best of his career
Beats Gashi by UD
Gives very hard fight to Whyte but is KOd
Gets arguably career best win, stops Takam in 8
Fights a nobody, stops them in two

I think that was the best stretch of his career by far.

 

I agree. It'll be like if bud and spence dont fight. Aren't boxing fans always crying about big fights? and best vs best

 

Lol yeah.... fights Wlad and Wilder in there back yards away from home but he's ducking pumped up Cruiser Usyk

 

I didnt say anything about that age being a death sentence.
I did say wear and tear, which you seem to be looking over.
I pointed to the wear and tear of 9 losses and a career of over 40 fights when in your middle late 30s as well as suffering some bad KOs, slow beat downs and tough fights

Im not sure what you are looking to find here other than to say that you dont think Chisora is any less faded when he faced Usyk to when he lost to Fury a 2nd time, which is a stretch for you to try and say.
Could it be that less faded Chisora was better and that faded Chisora is the same level as Parker and Whyte? This is using your logic here. They all had tough close fights.
Chisora when fresher was stopping undefeated Scott who took Ortiz the distance

It may be a good stretch of his career, but that can be down to who he is fighting as when he was facing.
Now you say you felt he deserved the win over Helenius and I think many would agree, but look at the difference in results with the level he fought at when he fought

Fury - Loss
a journeyman - Win
Helenius - debatable loss
Vitali Klitschko - loss
David Haye - loss

Its like you are trying to compare the above to the names you mentioned and saying he is having his best spell.
So with what you have said, how do you think this current version of Chisora with more wear and tear would do to the above at this time.
Look at how good Chisora looked when he fought Helenius here to when he fought Takam for example

 

I hope so.

 

Boxing fans are so dumb LOL a guy literally just fought a few days ago and it is already confirmed that he is ducking a guy who already has a fight scheduled. Ok then

 

I am not Furys biggest fan regarding the trash that he talks and talks and talks, and the disregard he had for the heavyweight title after he beat Wlad. However in that squared circle to date he is king, if he chooses not to hang around to face Usyk then that is a choice not a duck.

Fury for all his talk of being a fighting man born of fighting men, is now in a financial position of as Marvin Hagler said ” It’s tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you’ve been sleeping in silk pyjamas”.

Fury now thrives on the entertainment side of things, and why not he has earned that right, talk talk is a damned sight easier way of earning money than preparing for and engaging in war war, in fact he does not financially have need to ever work again.

If he retires the boxing history books will record him as the world heavyweight champion retiring with a undefeated record, that is a extreme rarity in the heavyweight division, being undisputed champion is the crème de la crème, but even for one night only fighters like Leon Spinks and Buster Douglas achieved that, which some could say takes the shine off it rather, (not disrespecting Spinks/Douglas achievements, on the night they beat the man who beat the man, who were 2 ATGs of our sport).

Personally if he does intend to face the winner of Usyk/AJ, I hope he is not going to put the title in storage before that bout is made, at least give one of the up and coming heavyweights a opportunity to fight in a world title fight in the mean time.

 

If Usyk does get up and beat AJ, there's no guarantee he (Usyk) gets himself up for this fight either....

He's been in a war and had to mentally/physically prepare himself for a rematch with AJ. He might decide he doesn't want to get in the ring with Fury either.

 

Back on this thread no one can have doubt now..

https://youtube.com/shorts/sQr60SGESHg?si=Nw3CP08UOxBV3q2C

 

Indeed.

And, as so many times with so many fighters before... If there weren't so many fans giving guys way more credit than they've earned, perhaps they'd have more motivation to actually prove something?

Fury getting talked up as an ATG and H2H nightmare reduces his motivation to even bother with undisputed...
In risk-reward terms, he stands to lose more reputation by losing than he stands to gain by winning - completely ass backwards, but that's what premature adulation will produce.

(And it's not just Fury, the same was true for Wilder until he lost and still is to some extent, the same is true for plenty of fighters in other divisions too - the laughable state of P4P lists with Davis on, for example).


Edit: FFS zombie thread... Sorry, didn't see it. Point still stands I guess.

 

Totally agree with the point - by hyping Fury's own grandiose self assessment of himself - from some fans and certain sections of the media - it disincentives him to actually prove it in the ring, like other ATGs did. Add into that the lineal champion nonsense as a marketing gimmick and we have a champion who has been much more style than substance.
For shame - boxing fans should hold him to a higher standard.