Jose Legra, Muhamad Ali and Luis Sarria? (Am daft, send help)

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  1. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Question or a matter of connect the dots for the educated. I have read in passing that Sarria was a respectable boxing coach in Cuba and that he trained and mentored Jose "Pocket Cassius Clay" Legra among others back home. Jose obviously fought very like Ali hence the name. Muhamad had been with Angie since the early days but how about Luis? was Luis part of Dundee's team that early or did he have access to Ali very young? I am aware during the amateur days he was trained by Chuck Bodak. He didn't quite resemble Legra here does he?
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    I am just wondering, did Luis have any influence on his style or by chance did Legra somehow? I am not sure on all this, matter of curiosity. I am not a clever historian at all and you won't catch me calling myself one. To keep it simple I am wondering if the Cuban style or Luis/Legra could have had any influence on Muhammad's development do the timelines even meet up? Anyways. I'll give you all the floor.
     
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    @janitor You're a well of knowledge do you have anything on the matter?
     
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    @klompton2 I know you've got a keen mind on the scene, am I just being daft?
     
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    Luis Sarria was the real trainer behind Dundee. Dundee was not really a trainer. He was more like a hired corner man (which is actually how he got his start in the big time) who was really savvy about self promotion. Chuck Bodak only worked with Ali when Ali qualified for the Chicago teams. That was a very small window and Bodak was just an assistant coach at the time. His input or effect on Ali's style would have been minimal. Ali was primarily formally trained by Joe Martin but he was pretty much self taught throughout his amateur and professional career. He picked up things here and there from other fighters but his style was really his own. He really wasnt fundamentally a sound boxer and broke a lot of rules but he got away with it because he was so fast and so naturally gifted. That cant be taught. Sarria worked closely with him but he was primarily a conditioner. Dundee was more of a strategist, PR man, and cornerman.
     
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    Thanks fella. Appreciate the input if what you’re saying is true then it’s made things clear for me.
     
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    Huh, suppose I’ll need to read the thread. From what I understand with a bit more digging in my spare time Luis was the second to Angie. Though as was said by most accounts, Angie even as the head guy only nudged Ali in the right direction opposed to actually training him conventionally.

    What do you think of the matter? I only had the thought based on the fact Muhammad had a very esteemed Cuban trainer around him at all times and a man whom was a lot like Ali in form happened to be trained by said trainer.
     
  8. SolomonDeedes

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    Well, I won't pretend to have in-depth behind the scenes knowledge of Ali's training camps, but I don't know of any evidence that Sarria was ever more than a masseur and fitness coach. Still a vital role, of course.
     
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