Errol Spence is top 10 h2h at welterweight

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  1. Glass City Cobra

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    It's difficult to beat a guy to the punch when there is a large reach gap and the guy has a strong telephone pole jab. You do realize timing beats speed right? Prime Pac would lunge straight in with sloppy defense and little head movement. Spence doesn't need to be a speed demon to time such an obvious attack with his very underrated jab. You can outbox someone without being faster than them, did you seriously not know that? Chavez and Liston weren't remotely speed demons and they outboxed people.

    Spence chose to meet Porter at close range to beat him at his own game. Just like he countered Danny and Outboxed Mikey when everyone wrote him off acting as if he was just a limited slugger. It's what he does to prove people wrong.

    Porter is a way better inside fighter than Pac. He also jabs more and has a wider variety of punches. You can't just apply ABC logic for convenience when discussing matchups. Porter lost to Brook and Brook was demolished by Spence, yet Porter did much better against Spence than Brook did.

    I find it downright baffling how people have completely written Spence off despite the fact he's better than every guy who beat Pac (other than Mayweather). He is better than Bradley. He is better than Ugas (and destroyed him). He is way better than Jeff Horn. I would bet money he could beat both Horn and Marquez the same night. Pac is a short aggressive guy with leaky defense who bum rushes you in a straight line. He would have a hard time with Spence's jab. If he started doing those little flurries throwing 3, 4, 5+ punch combinations he'd be opening himself up to getting nailed by something big like a left hand down the pipe. He isn't outboxing Spence on the outside in a million years and he'd get beat up and broke down if he tried to slug. He can't fight on the inside. He doesn't hit hard enough to KO Spence, I doubt he'd even drop him. Pac would literally need to outland Spence 2-3 punches to 1 every single round without getting nailed by too many bombs all night to take a decision, and that's just not realistic. Spence is not going to be some dumb slow stationary slugger like Margarito lol.
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

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    Telephone pole jab :risas3:. Spence gets tagged up. It's funny how he had a loss against Marquez who fights absolutely nothing like Spence and has a notorious quick well timed right hand counter unlike Spence.
    No he just couldn't keep Porter off of hin and decided to brawl. Porter is sloppier than Pacquiao, much slower, doesn't have the angular movement of Pacquiao, isnt nearly as proficient with his counter punching like Pacquiao. Porter is better up close but thats it. He does nothing else better
    Brook fights absolutely nothing like Porter. It was Porters tactics and style that give Spence nightmares. Pacquiao would do all of that and more, besides the long pocket exchanges, but Pacquiao can still infight if he had to. He would flurry, outland, occasionally land the counter and move out of range, While Spence lands some jabs and bodyshots. Pacquiao comes forward in spots and blitzes Spence, Spence hurts Pacquiao to the body. Pacquiao then boxes, flurries, and counters Spences to Pacquiao UD. Thats exactly how it goes
     
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  3. Jackstraw

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    “You're not even 30 and you're making emphatic statements about boxers who barely have any footage. Boxers who were probably retired before your dad was born. Do you have a time machine or a hidden archive of fights that the majority of us are unaware of? I didn't say millions of people watched Gavilan, I said millions of people have Mayweather in their h2h top 10. And yes, he was a welterweight. He spent like a decade there and won several belts, are you attempting to change the definition of words again? I actually said Whittaker was comparable for defense, benitez is not. Benitez got his ass kicked far too many times to compare him to Mayweather.”
    Whether or not Spence is a great welterweight still remains to be proven in the ring, but Mayweather gets seriously overrated at 147 by many. Look at his competition post-135:
    140 -
    Sharmba Mitchell and Gatti
    147 -
    Carlos Baldomir
    Zab Judah
    Ricky Hatton, had never fought above 140
    JMM - only two fights at 135 prior to fighting Floyd at 147
    Victor Ortiz
    Robert Guerrero
    Marcos Madaina x 2
    Shane Mosley, way past his best
    Pacquiao, way past his best
    Andre Berto
    Of those 13 fights Floyd scored four stoppages.
    I’m not saying Floyd couldn’t have beaten Duran, Leonard, prime Oscar, Shane or Pac, Quartey, Forrest, Armstrong, Gavilan, Robinson, Hearns, Benitez etc but it’s not because of what he did at 147
     
  4. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Spence is better than Morales now? In what galaxy is this?
     
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  5. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. Full Member

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    Spence is better than Robinson,Greb abd Langfors and would have battered thrm in a blindfolded Battle Royale.
    His silky smooth southpaw style would be too much for these mortals with their primitive skills.
    In case he would need to get out if second gear he would just take a stro back and fire a right hook.
     
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    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He would have broken their ribs. But not Mikey Garcias. Garcias ribs are protected by the power of tortillas.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

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    Morales fought at 147...?
     
  8. Glass City Cobra

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    Your sarcastic jokes would be funnier if not for the fact I literally wrote that Spence would lose to Robinson.
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Never said he fought exactly like Marquez. The point is he hits harder than all the men who dropped or KOd Pacquiao.

    That's your opinion

    Porter has the better jab and head movement as well as inside fighting.

    Other than being aggressive short guys, the similarities end there so idk why you keep trying to force this parallel as if Spence having a close fight with porter must mean he'd lose to Pac which is low IQ analysis.

    The point was abc logic is very flawed in boxing why are you staying the obvious that porter and brook don't fight similarly? Pac would not be able to execute the game plan porter used. He never applied up close pressure as well as porter in his entire career.
     
  10. PH|LLA

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    I stopped reading when you said Pacquiao couldn't destroy Algieri. He won every round and knocked him down SIX times. That's not destroyed? Credibility lost.
     
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  11. The G-Man

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    Absolutely.
    He dismantled Willie Limond at welterweight.
     
  12. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. Full Member

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    I’m not being sarcastic.

    And how do you figure Spence would lose to Robinson?
    Ray had no defense.None.
    Spence would easily find his way inside behind his ramrod jab and batrer him to both the head and body.
    In a 15 rounder it s 50-50 Robinson survives.
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    And Spence did better, he stopped him. Which was the point that sailed right over your head. Reading comprehension lost.
     
  14. Glass City Cobra

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    So morales was a top welterweight when he defeated Pacquiao?

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    Whatever you do, don't quit your day job for comedy.
     
  15. The G-Man

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    I’not being sarcastic.

    It s what I believe.

    Errol Spence has truly grown on me and I have seen the light.
    Robinson was knocked out if the ring by same size LaMotta,put down bad by Castellani and quit vs Maxim.
    He would be gaspibg for air after 7 rounds with Spence and probably pulled out just like Ugas was.