Deontay Wilder In The 70s

Nothing wrong with that.

À chacun ses goûts

 

IMO, Ali's competition (lack of) in the 60s is what makes people think that he was unbeatable in the 60s. Like you, I don't think the 71 Ali is much different than 60s Ali, things just got tougher for him in the 70s because he was fighting bigger and better athletes than he fought in the 60s. The athletes have gotten bigger and better since.

Make the money in MT the same as it is in boxing and I doubt that Thailand would dominate MT very long. Fighters go to where the money is, when more people compete in a sport, the sport can only get better.

 

People go where the money is relative to their other options. As you know, boxing isn't the only sport - or job - on the market. Even MT is discovering this. Thailand's sport is having staffing issues recently, apparently, because people would prefer to have more comfortable jobs now that the economy can support them.

Plus, there's something to be said for talent concentration. Silicon Valley remains a hub for tech even though the world has globalized.

America had both of those advantages before full globalization. Fewer options for athletes, and talent concentration in a few geographic areas.

(Also, realistically, the Europeans were already competing in the 60s and 70s. Welfare states and material progress seem to have actually killed off some of their competitiveness.)

 

It wouldn't surprise me. Sonny was a poet. A bad boy whose fistic innovations hid a wounded man of unimaginable depths. One had only to gaze into those soulful bronze orbs to know immediately that his leg-breaking for the Mafia was the misunderstood performance art of a frustrated genius. Oh. And what wit.

He lifted haybales, you know.

 

You just picked Wilder to beat everyone I said he'd beat in this thread, except Lyle and Ali in MSG.

And I disagree with you there. That Ali was banned from MSG following that fight his performance was deemed so poor. Lyle was never anything special.

I don't know how I embarrassed myself. You don't have Jimmy Ellis beating him either.

You have Wilder against Shavers' opponents finishing with what, an 85-4 record?

(Because Jimmy Young and his 7-3 and 13-4-1 records when Shavers faced him isn't beating Wilder any day of the week. Jimmy Young wasn't a large favorite over anyone then. He couldn't beat Billy Aird then.)

 

Shavers didn't fight Foreman and Frazier.

And yesterday you said you'd confidently pick Wilder to beat Ali at MSG in 1977 when Shavers fought him.

So you'd have Wilder against Shavers' opponents finishing with an 87-2 record.

Yet, yesterday, regarding Shavers and Wilder, you called me an idiot for saying Wilder hit harder than him.

You're all over the goddamn place.

 

I'm pretty sure Wilder would lose more than two fights in his career had he fought 90 fights in his career. He already lost two fights and had half of the fights Shavers did.

 

Wilder lost to Tyson Fury, the World Champion. Shavers lost to Bob Stallings.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

 

Why do you quote me if you don't want to reference to my post?

I didn't say Wilder would lose as many fights as Shavers, I said that he wouldn't end his career with 2 losses had he fought 90 times. You are so emotionally attached to Wilder that you can't discuss in rational way about him.

 

Dude, stick to basketball. You burned yourself in the other thread.

 

The thread starter asked does Wilder do better than Shavers, so I went to the Ali who Shavers fought AND LOST TO.

Sounds like you don't think Wilder loses to THAT Ali, either.

I agree. Wilder doesn't.

 

If Deontay Wilder were to go back to exactly 1973., not the 70s; the topic would be a little more interesting to me.
P.S. Deontay Wilder did not fall from the punch to the chin, but to the ear (left ear).

 

Reading comprehension has nothing to do with discussed sport.

I thought you'd stay away from Wilder threads after your ridiculous predictions before the second fight. Of all people you shouldn't tell me anything about burning yourself

 

A guy who was losing rounds to Gerald Washington and who loses every round he's in usually until he lands a big punch.

I have no confidence picking him over that Ali unless it's the completely shot Ali who fought Berbick or Holmes who was clearly in the early stages of Parkinsons. I could pick him over that Ali but I'm still not totally confident at all. Hes got no jab and is going to be winging the right hand windmill all night. Compare that to someone like Bowe who I would take to cause serious harm to Ali. I wonder how far your Wilder love goes. How do you see Wilder vs Bowe, prime Bowe.

 

Yes, very embarrassing to pick a guy who knocked out everyone he faced, and who dropped a guy twice in their first fight, to win by a knockout in the return. How crazy of me. I must've been high. His KO percentage was only around 98 percent at that time.

Tell us more how Earnie Shavers was never more than a fringe contender based on your "extensive" 20 seceonds of "research" scanning boxrec because you don't know anything about the 70s fight scene but call yourself 70sfan?

**** off, troll.