If Canelo Unifies at 175 beating Bivol and Beterbiev then beats Usyk at 200, goat?

It is very possible and yes, he will be goat. (But GGG robberies will keep haunting him).

He definitely beats Bivol and Beterbiev.

Usyk is not good against fighters with good movement, so Canelo has a high chance of beating Usyk as well.

 

A guy who would certainly be at least very competitive with Muhammad Ali, would embarrass Canelo, even a drained Usyk. I can't believe anyone is entertaining this idea.

Can you imagine Canelo with his cement feet trying to loop his telegraphed shots at a mobile Usyk? Usyk is not only much bigger but he is far more skilled. Canelos the guy who robbed Lara and 36 yo GGG twice. Its actually nuts there are people talking like this would be competitive in the slightest

He couldn't even beat a 36 yo Golovkin, a Golovkin Clen fanboys call a bum basher. Billy Joe Saunders - a 160lber with no world level fights in 3 years, who looked trash in most if not all fights prior to Canelo including against shell of Murray - took at worst 3 and at best 5 rounds off Canelo over 8 rounds. I can't believe I even have to write this **** out. Boxing really is for mugs. Absolute idiots seriously

 

there isnt any footage of him :/

 

Is that all you know about him?

 

No because he Is an absolute drug cheat. Its tarnished his name. He could fight Zeus, win and still not be an ATG.

Drug cheat.

 

Absolutely. he should be considered the Lance Armstrong of boxing.

 

Why do you keep trying to make Canelo work ?

 

There's a chance. If he beats those 3 in a row and add Benavidez + Charlo, he could be, but it won't happen imo.

 

Even at 168lbs he looks fleshy and there is a layer of fat on him that is visible. Solid, yes - bur also a little fleshy too.

 

Mayweather beat him, ggg beat him, lara beat him. Beat an old cotto, old shot kovalev with a little help from outside the ring stuff. Beat an overrated saunders. His best win is against jacobs which was really close And a bunch of b/c level fighters.

 

If Bivol is a legit fight not a sparring session, and Beterbiev is without any rehydration clauses, what I am saying is they must be wins without an asterix

Beating GGG in a convincing way in between, and dropping him for the first time in his career along the way would add serious weight

But the problem is the Usyk talk, unless 201 is physically impossible for Usyk, then there is no way that Canelo can beat him, literally no chance not a hope in hell. He gets his head boxed off and if he doesn't get knocked out then he is on the wrong side of a severe beat down

 

The problem with that is you're stipulating more than just fighting and winning, like he has to win in a certain way, be more dominant in wins against previously undefeated fighters. The fact that you have to stipulate that him winning isn't enough on its own, is missing the plot. He already beat GGG, that's enough. Yes we want to see them fight the trilogy and a more dominant win would be icing on the cake, but GGG had never been beaten before, it's like saying Duran's win over SRL the first time wasn't good enough, he has to be more dominant. No one ever said that. You and others hold Canelo to a ridiculous standard where he has to more than just win against the best the sport has to offer.

 

I don't know how you've been triggered by my post.

GGG and maybe Jacobs are the only real names on his CV since he reached his prime (2015 onwards) and neither of those wins were ATG or GOAT worthy on their own. SMW undisputed was a good achievement but the route to it wasn't ATG worthy. Sparking Khan doesn't make you an ATG. So what has he done to be the GOAT?

The original question was about him becoming the GOAT, for that to be the case, yes he would have to fulfill certain criteria and the wins would have to be without an asterix. To be the GOAT it means that you literally are held to a higher standard than everyone else.

Comparing Canelo v GGG to Duran v Leonard is ridiculous as Duran's career and ATG status is not based on that one win alone, and it was also against another ATG, while GGG's career trajectory has perhaps meant that his legacy isn't going to be what it potentially could have been.

I get it, you rate Canelo highly, as do I, but no need to be so hypersensitive

 

Well when you say the Bivol win can't be a sparring session and he needs to drop GGG, who's never been down in his career, that's a bit much. I'm hyped for Saturday but I'm trying to keep things in perspective. Who are the top 5 GOATs in your mind? I mean, if you list guys like Duran, Hagler, SRL as some of the GOATs, they each had their share of lackluster performances, bad losses, too. Many ATG's career fizzled out towards the end or ended prematurely. If Canelo keeps winning and stands the test of time, finishing his career on a high, it's going to go a long way when compared to other ATGs.

The interesting thing bout Canelo when compared to other GOATs is how long he can keep going strong for. We seen so many legends eventually get to the point in their career where their body starts to fail or they bite off more than they can chew. Canelo could be biting off more than he can chew here with Bivol. For me, it's more about his ability to keep winning for as long as he can, against top opposition, and if he can do that, he'll certainly be in that conversation. I mean, Duran had over 100 wins, but he ended his career with 16 losses, many lackluster poor performances late in his career. Hagler and SRL had 3 losses. If Canelo keeps winning and ends up with less losses and/or more wins than many of the ATGs, I don't think it matters whether he knocks down GGG or whether the Bivol fight is seen as a sparring session. And if he does something like move up to HW and beat Usyk, that takes him in a whole nother level. I just think you're focusing on things that don't really affect his GOAT status as much as winning by any means necessary does against the best opposition available.

 

He would be well above manny and floyd that's for sure

It isn't going to happen though