Did The SRL Loss, Hurt Hagler s Legacy?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Personally I think not. It was a disputed decision, all years later still is.
    The guys a legend anyway.
    Thoughts?
     
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  2. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I concur with your opinion, Leonard wanted no second bout with Hagler, but the loss in no way harms the legacy of Hagler, as you say a legend of our sport.

    The loss of the title was disputed, sadly the night he won the title from Minter was controversial and a dark day in our sport, in regard of the crowds reaction, no fighter who wins a world title fairly should have to be escorted from the ring while enduring bottles, glasses and abuse raining down on them.
     
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  3. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, it immensely damaged Hagler's legacy. If he had beaten Leonard, I think almost everybody would have him as the #1 or #2 Middleweight of all time. I agree the decision was dubious. But, just like the dubious decision on Golovkin-Alvarez I, the official verdict is still historically damaging for the loser.
     
  4. Renaldo's Last Stand

    Renaldo's Last Stand Member banned Full Member

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    I don't think it hurt hagglers legacy at all, but I never liked how Hagler reacted to the loss.
    He should have at least given Leonard his props and demanded a rematch.
    Instead he basically took his ball and went home.
    He was up there in age and may have been ready for retirement anyway, but the boxibg elites try and paint the picture that Hagler was so disenfranchised by the decision that he just couldn't carry on, which I think is a crock.
    I think Haglers heart for fighting was already waning and Leonard just came and took the rest of his soul
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't people already have him top 2 ? Atleast top 3. I thought it's always SRR, Monzon, Hagler, then you have GGG and Hopkins.

    The decision is debatable but not robbery, Hagler giving away first 3 or 4 rounds is just shooting himself in the foot. And he can't have no complaints after making such a school boy error there.
     
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  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Absolutely damaged his legacy and helped Leonard’s, and solely due to the judges who could’ve come up w scores for Hagler if they felt like it.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    At least slightly. Losing to a smaller, inactive, post-prime fighter is never a good look, and the fight arguably further raised questions about Hagler’s “ring IQ.”
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say no, but I understand those who's opinion differs. What stood out for me in that fight was how slow and sluggish Hagler looked. He reminded me a middleweight closer to 40 than 33 and I'll say this with confidence. Had Duran fought that version of Hagler he beats him. I think the punishment Marvin received from Mugabi was never really appreciated due to Haglers great chin but if you look at Haglers head after the fight it was the worst damage I believe he ever took in the ring. I was not really surprised that Hagler retired , after watching the replay I thought if he continues he'll end up losing to a fighter he'd have crushed a few years ago. I have Marvin securely as one of the best middleweights of all time with Greb, Monzon, and Robinson. That is a great legacy in my view.
     
  9. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    I don't think so no, i think his pride was hurt more, he resented leonard getting the decision and who can blame him, personally i thought he won the fight, and i said at the time that hype and SRLs publicity machine played a part in him getting the nod, the fans were like girls at a One direction concert!!
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep. It's a little like Ali and Spinks for me, he was slowing down and would never have lost to Leon in his prime. But we don't think any worse of him for it.
    A few years previously for me, Hagler smashes Ray.

    Just timing.
     
  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ....and I think Ray knew that too.
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    In the sense that his legacy would have been better if he'd won, yes.

    It didn't make him retroactively lose other fights he'd already won, though. Most of his legacy already existed before the Leonard fight.
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Didn't he just.
     
  14. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I don't really think it hurt his legacy. He is still ranked extremely highly at 160 which would be the case even if he didn't fight Leonard. However, I think winning the fight would have enhanced his legacy.
     
  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never accepted he lost to SRL, so he's second only to Monzon imo.
     
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