Tyson Fury vs Muhammad Ali

Also don't forget Fury was floored heavily, and somewhat close to being stopped by unknown "Pajkic". Who was same height as Ali, just thought I'd throw that out there.

Oh and BTW Pajkic only has 5 stoppages to his name.

 

It's a fair point, but that was a younger version who had not perfected his style. I assumed this was a prime vs prime thread

 

Which Ali are we talking about? The 60s or early to mid 70s?

 

I don't recall 60s Ali as a rope a doper ...he was more of a byciclist back then, no? He didn't use rope a dope till his legs were erodibg

 

So why do you mention Norton?

 

Does erosion of skill affect bone density too?
I just assume if Ali's mandible couldn't hold up against Norton, how would it against Fury.
We're not talking about legs slowing down or skills eroding. Your jaw cracks the same way whether you're 25 or 35

 

I'm not sure at all Fury hit as hard as Norton. Probably not. Also, extremely different styles.

 

He broke wilders eardrum while he was laying along the ropes, also knocked him out while he was laying along the ropes.
Ali had a breakable jaw and a propensity to lay along the ropes later in his career.

 

Then why do you reject Cunningham fight?

 

70s Ali had a right hand as powerful as Fury's for sure. I don't think Fury would do too good if he got hit with the kind of lead rights Ali was throwing in Zaire.

I really doubt he would need to rope a dope Fury, as the latter has never been as fearsome as Foreman...let's get real.

I don't see Fury manhandling Ali, I do see him getting beat to the punch. A lot. It would probably be a bit if a hug fest, but bottom line for me is the fact that Fury's never once faced someone the level of even Zaire Ali, while Ali has faced at least several fighters greater than Fury...and mostly beat them.

 

Which Ali would have the best chance of winning against Tyson Fury?
Muhammad Ali of 1967 certainly.

 

I don't reject anything. It's a fight, anything can happen. If Fury chose to fight with that ridiculous and boring style he employed for so many fights that made for horrible fights like the one against Klitschko, I could see Ali swaying the judges with his antics. However if it is the Sugar Hill Fury that mauls and overwhelms and actually sits down on his punches, I don't see Ali standing up to that with the weight disparity

 

Ali wouldn't stand and trade with Fury. It's much harder to do Fury things when you don't have speed advantage anymore.

 

The way I see it, Fury can't go the distance with Ali. I agree his physical attributes, and style would be troublesome for Ali. But even when Ali couldn't dance, pre- and post- exhile, his stamina was legendary and unquestionable. Fury could not handle himself for 12 or 15 rounds against a swarming fighter of the likes of Joe Fraizer. I don't think Fury has the gas in the tank to handle someone like Ali for 12 or 15 rounds, yes Fury has gone 12 rounds before, but never 15. And to add onto this Ali's second winds were legendary as well all throughout his career. What I am saying, is if Fury set the pace in the early rounds, he would gas trying to keep up with Ali. Ali would in my opinion dominate th

Fury can lean his weight on Ali all he wants and yes, this is something Ali did not encounter with such a big opponent. But keep in mind, Ali fought Liston and Foreman, two fighters who largely relied on their ability to wrestle opponents. And you can minimize Liston and Foreman in comparison to Fury, that is fine. But Ali can move strong men around unquestionably, we can't know for sure if Fury's wrestling would exhaust Ali enough to be a deciding factor.

Ali's jaw broke because it was open when Norton hit it. Ali talked too much **** during that fight and gave Norton the opportunity. By this logic why didn't the left hooks of Cooper, Frazier, or any other fighter break Ali's jaw? Why didn't Foreman or Liston? Why not Shavers. This is just flawed logic, and Fury simply doesn't hit as hard as these men.

No and we probably won't. Fury in his 'younger years' as people want to claim, was floored by a light heavy weight Cunningham. I don't see what this has to do with Fury's undeveloped skill? I mean I can see how he wasn't as defensively sound in later years but are we going to argue that his chin suddenly got stronger? It can be argued that Wilder hit Fury with the hardest shots of his career and he did get put down on the canvas. But I'd argue the technique a punch is thrown with and accuracy is can be just as effective as a punchers best shot. So the case for Fury's iron chin? Doubtful. Sounds like he is vulnerable like any other boxer, the same as how Ali was to left hooks. The difference Ali in his career was never down on the count for more than a few seconds. Yes Fury's revival against Wilder was incredible, but I can't imagine his chin is stronger than Ali's, and I don't see Fury outputting enough power, or throwing his left accurately like Cooper and Frazier did.

 

Fury is a very good heavyweight but he is starting to become a little overrated.

I have seen nothing to suggest he would beat past elite heavies such as Ali and Lennox Lewis. I would also pick prime Tyson to beat him.