Your top 5 junior middleweights all time

BTW slightly unrelated but I just checked up Martinez, and I see hes been fighting again ? Why in earth is he fighting ? I might check up footage later see how he looked.

 

McCallum 7-0 in title fights Notable wins: Jackson, Curry

Hearns: 4-0 in title fights Notable wins: Duran, Benitez

Mayweather: 3-0; Cotto, Oscar, Canelo

Winky: 11-3, Ws Mosleyx2. Ls to Simon, Vargas, and Vasquez

Benitez: 3-1, Ws Hope and Duran. Ls to Hearns and Moore.

Norris: 19-5, Ws Leonard, Simon, Blocker, Jacquot, Daniels, Q Taylor, Mugabi, M Taylor. Ls Jackson, Mullings, Brown, DQs x 2 to Santana

Canelo: 10-1, Ws Trout, Lara@155 L to Mayweather

So...
1. McCallum
2. Norris*
3a/3b Hearns and Mayweather
5. Canelo

*It's fine for Norris to be bumped to 4, but the wins over Leonard, Mugabi, Mledrick Taylor and others and pretty downplayed compared to at the time of the fight. I'm putting him at 2 off volume.

 

Yeah. He came back after 5/6 years.

Only at a low level though.

I don’t know what his plans are.

If you find out, let me know.

 

No knowledgeable person would have Canelo no.5 of all time.

It’s absolutely laughable.

You’ve made a typo and not included Duran for Benitez.

 

It would take an idiot or OCD ridden fanboy to include Duran in the top 5 at 154.

 

I agree with this.—Mark

 

I said that you’d not included Benitez’ win over Duran on your list.

Why don’t you explain to us all how you can have Canelo rated so highly.

 

He has the second most title defenses of the best 154s if you dont count Winky's 90s WBO belt, no bad loses, and his wins over Trout and Lara are competitive with the best wins of most other top 154s.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

Almost 50 wins??

No bad losses?

He barely won a round off of Floyd.

He barely beat Trout and Lara.

He can’t possibly be that high, either on resume or ability.

 

I forgot about his 147 fights when i wrote that, but yes, otherwise true.

 

That’s fine.

But how can he rate so highly, when he was washed by Floyd and he barely beat Trout and Lara?

Even if he’d have beaten those guys decisively, they wouldn’t have been elite level wins.

He has a weak JMW resume, he doesn’t possess any real quality wins, and he didn’t have the same level of ability as the other guys who are listed.

The problem with you, is that you view him through today’s eyes. But you can’t do that. Today, he’s a great fighter. But at JMW, he wasn’t. You can only view him as he was then, and not as he is now, in his prime.

Think about it logically.

A guy who struggled with Lara and Trout, where it’s debatable on whether he won or not, can’t possibly be up there with the likes of Hearns and McCallum etc.

Canelo is a great fighter, but he wasn’t a great JMW.

 

There is no debate about him beating Lara and Trout. That's your head. He was fighting Trout with open scoring. He's not required to try harder for your scorecard when he knows the official score. Trout was undefeated at that time and had beaten Cotto. He never got to that level again. It's a solid top two in a deep resume at 154, now deal w it.

Your pal Leonard gets praised for his close fights, afterall.

 

There is a debate.

Trout was undefeated?

Who has Trout ever defeated apart from a worn Cotto?

You think that a win over Cotto meant something because Cotto won the MW title. But that was only because Martinez was shot.

There was nothing special about Trout beating Cotto, and there was nothing special about anybody beating Trout. He’s a B-C level guy.

It’s a solid top 2 in a deep resume?

He barely beat 2 non great fighters.

He lost every round to Floyd.

He can’t be ranked as high as 5.

Your posts are cringeworthy.

 

1. Robinson
2. Burley
3. Hearns
4. Ketchel
5. T Ryan

 

You should probably focus on how shallow everyone else's resume is at 154. Even McCallum doesn't have that many title defenses and one of his best wins there was a sudden ko of blown up welter who was thoroughly out boxing him.