size really does matter in boxing

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mister Pugilist, May 8, 2022.


  1. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bruh just say you don’t like Canelo and keep it moving, only person pretending is you if Kovalev was so trash why tf Eldier didn’t stop him a 2nd time? He got outboxed and lost easily in the rematch even in the Canelo fight if he was so washed up why was he winning at the time of the stoppage? When you at the top ppl gonna hate it is what it is rather guys make excuses for why Canelo is beating top fighters then be like most of you guys making excuses for why yo favorite fighter avoids other top fighters
     
  2. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Bivol’s handspeed, mobility, and tactics were what neutralized Canelo’s counterpunching.

    Canelo was also overconfident and assumed Bivol would make a mistake that he could capitalize on, but it did happen.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Like I said, no one in the P4P top 10 is routinely giving away the kind of physical advantages Loma is, and he's doing so against big-huge punchers way bigger than him who hit very hard or are the biggest punchers in his third division against fighter their own size. And power is obviously magnified when facing opponents much naturally bigger than you and vice versa.

    Meanwhile fans, many of whom are rabid Loma haters, blow industrial amounts of smoke up the asses of fighters who aren't fighting world champions naturally their own size or legit bangers let alone dominating or toying with ones bigger/way bigger and huge punchers way bigger than them like Loma has done many times.
     
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  4. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Never did say he was trash. I did say he was a spent fighter who was clearly not the same guy from several years prior. Canelo beat Kovalev who was not at his best. Not sure why that’s so hard for you to say. I already told you that if you want to pretend Kovalev was a top tier fighter when Canelo beat him, be my guest.
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd argue that Usyk is giving away more size and strength than Loma is.
     
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  6. MetalLicker

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    Are you seriously trying to play up a washed up Kovalev as an elite fighter at 175 when Canelo beat him?

    He was old and was an alcoholic at that point. He had a brutal fight with Yarde, a fight where he almost got stopped. He never recovered from that fight and he was back in training a week later to prepare for a Canelo fight 2 months later. He had a rehydration clause put on him to further drain him.

    Kovalev was a weak shell of his prime self. He sold his soul for a few million dollars.
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I said routinely. Loma was often giving away weight and reach or both down at 126 and 130

    He gave away 11lbs to Salido in his second pro fight for goodness sake and 7.5'' in reach to Walters and these guys he's facing at 135 are like 1-3 weight classes bigger than him

    Even someone like Teofimo who doesn't have the height or as big a reach advantage on Loma most of the other guys Loma is facing at 135 is way naturally bigger in terms of size (weight) and he had a 3'' reach advantage.

    Teofimo is the hardest puncher in the division and is very athletically gifted, fast and explosive with vicious one punch power in both hands

    He in his own words will end up at 154 or at least 147

    These punches sound like those of a fighter from the heavier divisions not a lightweight, and Loma's a natural leprechaun division fighter

    That's why I've never been happy about Loma campaigning at 135

    Because a lot of these guys are giants or huge for the weight, look like death on the scales and are rehydrating a lot of weight

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    Usyk was the same size as his opponents at CW and often had a reach advantage

    Usyk did so in the WSB though and obviously he is now up at HW
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    No doubt Loma gives up size at LW because he's a natural FW. That said, guys move from FW to LW and have success all the time. Usyk is a natural CW and hardly anybody moves up to HW and has success there.
     
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  9. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    remind me again how many total rounds did Yarde win in that fight?
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not just weight but reach and a natural 126 pounder giving up 7-15lbs is different to a CW or HW doing it. These lightweights of today are giants. Commey and Haney and are coming in at like 154 and 155 respectively if not more for the later, that's three divisions more than Loma. Teofimo is dropping massive 154lb lightweights like Commey like a sack of potatoes with shots that sound like gun shots

    I'm obviously a huge Usyk fan too and I know he's giving up huge physical advantages too but he's only had three fights at HW as a pro so far and one was a nobody
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Loma just isn't a physically strong or hard man. I'm just being honest. He keeps himself in shape, but he is not a naturally genetically strong man. He has narrow shoulders and not much taper to his upper back.
     
  12. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    The first times I really noticed the difference weight makes were Bob Foster going up to heavyweight and Jose Napoles taking a shot at Carlos Monzon's middleweight title. Of course, those were big weight disparities.

    The first time I can remember have the point driven home to me at lower weights was when 53-0 bantamweight champ Carlos Zarate moved up four pounds and had his head handed to him by Wilfredo Gomez. Gomez himself found out the same thing a few years later when he went up to featherweight and was handed an 8th round TKO loss by Salvador Sanchez.
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He's very physically strong for his size

    You seen him in the clinch against giant 135 pounders like Commey

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    Stephen ''Breadman'' Edwards


    ''I’ve never got the Loma criticism. He’s everything you want in a fighter. They say he can’t be the top P4P guy because he doesn’t have enough fights. But he had more championship fights than Pernell Whitaker had when he finally was recognized as the top fighter in the world. They keep bringing up the Salido fight. But Salido is a monster, who cheated and was overweight. Loma still took him to a SD. I get to a point where I can’t even discuss boxing with anyone. Then in his very next fight he takes on Gary Russell and wins. Russell is better than Salido.

    Then Loma goes on a historic run and turns himself into a HOF and people keep bringing up Salido. Now a few younger uber talents start calling him out and he takes on the most accomplished one in Teofimo Lopez.

    I know boxing is a racial and tribal sport it’s just something that people don’t want to admit. But I can’t get why anyone wouldn’t like Vasyl Lomachenko. I honestly can’t understand it. He’s GREAT.

    This fight is 52/48 in my opinion. I am scared that Loma will get clipped and his legacy will be dumped on. Lopez has unique timing. He also has the ability to hit his opponents with his hardest shots. Not just a clean shot but his hardest shots. In my opinion Loma, Loma has slipped. The last time I saw APEX Loma was against Linares. It’s not just the weight. It’s the age and stress of being so great for so long. He’s 15 title fights in.

    Loma has a real chance to lose this fight. So much so, that if he wins, I would hope to see him retire because there is no way he runs the table on Davis, Haney and Garcia. And one LOSS and these geniuses will crush his legacy. So if he may have to give ALL of himself just to get by Lopez. I think he left a piece of himself in the ring vs Linares. He really “went there” vs Linares. And you can only do that but so many times.


    This is a real fight. I can see both winning. I think Loma has a stylistic advantage because Lopez fights in a shoulder roll and he doesn’t have a great jab. But Lopez has more advantages. Loma is bruising up big time these days. He’s smaller. He’s been inactive and injured. I think he’s lost a step.

    As I type I realize how tough a fight this is for Loma. But I want to point something out. Loma is a DOG. He has guts and physical strength that critics don’t talk about. He’s dead game. He’s a pit bull. He may have to win this fight on will not skill. Great fight.
     
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  14. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    You need other aspects to your game. Handspeed, foot work, controlling distance, accurate jabs etc. Bivol had all those tools. Bivol gave him the same type of problems Mayweather, Lara and to certain extent GGG did. Size is only one factor but can be major given the other possible circumstances.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Told you

    Bivol says he weighed 183lbs

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