Canelo didnt just lose he was exposed

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You seem to be on a bit of a rant here, Cobra.

    I'll address your points, one by one.

    No,

    Unless you mean as a LHW.
    And even there, he did as well or better than anybody else so far who has faced the top dog in the division.


    I've never put much stock in the Krusher fight...always thought it was a bit dodgy.
    I said so on fight night...
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...ed-fight-and-dive.638883/page-4#post-20144788

    ...and again several times later.
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...out-any-asterisks.678894/page-3#post-21442412

    I have spent a couple of days explaining to Canelo's die-hard fans (Shadow, Reppin, etc) that Canelo was completely dominated by Bivol. That's not the point here, though.

    Bivol is arguably the best LHW in the world at the moment.
    Losing to Bivol at 175 does not render Canelo exposed. He still had a decent body of work at three lower weights.


    All three were undefeated, elite SMW. That's not open for debate.


    Again, you're preaching to the choir, lad.
    I scored both fights for GGG. That's why I stated earlier that Canelo was the SECOND BEST MW.

    Again....

    Who's arguing ...I scored the Bivol fight 10-2 for Bivol and I stated that you could score it 12-0.

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...t-alexander-rbr.686002/page-112#post-21696078


    Again, none of that points to Canelo being exposed.

    He's an ATG boxer who has won titles in three divisions and dared to go for a fourth.

    EXPOSED has no place in the conversation.
     
  2. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He was exposed as not being able to make any adjustments at all. Just like Valdez last weekend, it was the same game plan over and over and over and over. All he tried to do when nothing worked as planned was to get Bivol emotional. Bivols discipline won out. When Canelo strength isn’t working for him, he has nothing to fall back on. For a guy who is in his prime, that’s pretty bad. There’s a reason why he had his own weight class for awhile. 155. Because he wasn’t strong enough yet to take on the middleweights at their full strength. He was exposed in that regard. When the strength isn’t working, he’s got nothing else.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was fighting at a full weight class above his normal weight. he was carrying excess weight which caused him to fatigue in the later rounds. At 168, a normal Canelo has much better cardio and stamina, wouldn't have the leaky gas tank in the later rounds that allowed Bivol to take advantage and win. Canelo is a much better fighter at 168 than at 175, we saw this against Kovalev and again on Saturday, if Bivol is as good as everyone thinks he is, then prove it by beating the best Canelo for Undisputed at 168, and taking his titles, not by beating a slower more lethargic Canelo who had no business fighting at 175 in the first place, who only fought Bivol there to test himself at higher weights because he ran through all the Champions at 168 lbs. Who else would Canelo fight at 168 that would be a better opponent than Bivol? And if you say Benavidez, we all know that Benavidez is even bigger than Bivol who is much heavier in the ring than Bivol. Bivol can make 168 much easier than Benavidez or Callum Smith. Canelo tested himself at 175 and we saw what 175 Canelo is like, effective in the early rounds but then tires in the later rounds due to the weight. Canelo must move back down to 168 and defend his titles.
    It's one thing to be exposed at your normal weight. Moving up a full weight class and fighting the best Champion at a higher weight is a completely different ballgame. At 168, Canelo has more in the gas tank in the later rounds and it's a much different fight. At 168, Canelo is faster, has more energy, better defense, doesn't get hit with the shots he got hit with due to the fatigue and difficulty of fighting at 175. You know it's true.
     
  4. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo has low ring IQ.
     
  5. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He’s a champion in that division. It’s not a full weight class above his normal weight. Didn’t bother to read the rest of the novel.
     
  6. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you put Canelos body of work say right beside a Hagler,Leonard,Duran, or a Hearns it just doesn't compare and its not even close.
    I like Plant but an ELITE fighter? Off of what wins?
    Saunders love his style but his best weight wasn't super middle was it? And it shows.
    Canelo is a fighter that is a money ticket for everyone.
    When I watch a prime Hagler/Leonard/Hearns I can see the greatness. When I watch a CANELO I don't see it. I see a very good fighter in a watered down boxing world.
     
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  7. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh now all the sudden Bivol is the best lightheavy? Because his recent title defenses said otherwise.
    Dare to be great take on Arthur. He's the best lightheavy and has been.
     
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  9. navigator

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    Addressed at the foot of this post.


    Mileage varies, which is why we celebrate some fighters more than others. I wouldn't describe Canelo as the most consistently bold matchmaker, nor would I describe him as the most risk-averse.

    But, if, as you say, Canelo's only doing what other guys are doing, i.e. looking at potential opponents and identifying reasons to think he can beat them, why the big hang-up on your part?

    The bottom line is that he was taking on the #2 light heavyweight, a highly rated, technically adept, undefeated fighter in his prime. Bouts aren't won on assumption. Even if Canelo imagined he saw weaknesses he could exploit, he still had to go out there and execute. It's not like there was a blueprint on Bivol. It's not like he'd shown signs of physical decline. It's not like he'd shown stamina issues or questionable whiskers (unless you're unreasonable enough to hold being rocked by Joe Smith against him). He was coming off a couple routine performances which were relatively flat, but ultimately, clearly victorious.

    Had this bout gone well for Canelo, he naturally would've been emboldened to aim for Beterbiev. It takes an unreasonable azzhole to lambast him for going to Bivol first.


    You cannot (reasonably, defensibly) describe the #2 light heavyweight, a highly rated, undefeated technician in his prime, as a cherry-pick. Khan, Rocky Fielding, Kovalev, sure, whatever. Bivol? No. That was a good fight from the moment it was mooted.


    That's rationalization, something women are well known for.

    You kind of give the game away when you say "every". You have set your stall out to discredit everything he ever did or might do that someone might find praiseworthy.


    All your hands do is type. Typists shouldn't be talking smack.


    Here's what I asked for;
    What you gave me was Bivol positing a suspicion and Hearn replying with silver-tongued affirmation (telling Bivol what he thinks Bivol wants to hear). After all, he has a victorious client on his hands whose stock just took a big jump and who has a right to be disgruntled at the way he's been overlooked by the man he employs to promote him. Plenty of amends to make for Eddie.

    You are entitled to interpret Hearn's reply at face value. Could be you're the naive one, though more likely it just suits the particular axe you've been grinding on this forum for however long now.

    Yet and still;
    Notwithstanding their destructive endings, Beterbiev's performances against Browne and Deines were labelled as subpar showings. Would that have been a cherry-pick, too? Is there any opponent Canelo can select who wouldn't represent a cherry-pick? Well, we already got your answer on that score. :lol: