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I watched James "The Latin Snake" Smith from his pro debut against James Broad on ESPN to the end of his career.

When was James "The Mouse" Smith going to beat a prime George Foreman?

 

What am I missing here, CT ?

This is a trick question...

Isn't it ?

 

You seriously watch him and see "monster talent"? You watch Tubbs fight and see a quicker boxer with better boxing skills than Foreman? Aren't you supposed to be a boxing coach?

 

He probably could.

That changes everything.

 

Am I watching different fights? Smith isn't fast, nor skilled, nor has outlier durability or power. Smith is big and has cool name, but I don't see anyone giving Buddy Baer any chances against Foreman... and Buddy was bigger, more powerful and likely more durable than Smith.

 

I know you´re an expert for 80s/90s HW insights. You really don´t have to pull out such nonsensical points. Nobody cares how almost age 40 Smith did vs. Moorer, Billups or Weaver. We´re not caring about the Foreman of Alex Steward either.

I´m rather interested in the argument that Smith wasn´t willing to brawl, and you might be right about that. Significant point for a fantasy fight looking like a shootout. Checked some of his reactions with Tyson. Maybe worth looking at Ruddock too.

@70sFan865 Make no mistake. This guy could wreck an opponent in milliseconds, but be unable to control the attempt and follow up.

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He pushes Ribalta down rather than felling him with punches

Foreman should land more and finish the job before this will rumble into the later rounds.

 

He did it once against Tyson, we don't know if he had tried the same startegy against Foreman. Usually, Smith brawled with his opponents.

 

OK.

Looking at the bits, maybe...on paper.

Looking at the whole fighter.

NO.

There's only one realistic outcome here.

 

Whatever version of James "Six Heads" Smith shows up he's going to be ice skating uphill.

 

I will never understand how some people make their picks on this forum. Some people do not follow their own criteria and are all over the place in matchups.

If you think Smith has more than a 25% chance of winning (which is generous), then I guess Chris Arreola, Buddy Baer, and Dillian Whyte could pull something off in Zaire. Smiths record and overall fighting ability is roughly even with theirs and they have similar size and strength. Why not?

 

This is not meant to be disrespectful, but are we serious? Foreman wins by a brutal KO.

 

Ok, first off this is a matter of styles , not resumes .. Crusher had a lot of heart ... he was losing every round to Bruno and then destroyed him .. he was a novice and hung tough against an older but still very tough Larry Holmes .. he was pounded on by Tim in the first fight but hung in and didn't quit .. Yes he lost to Tyson but that Tyson was an all-time great at his best and I feel he did better than Foreman would have .. he lasted the distance .. He crushed Weaver, Witherspoon in the rematch. His power, chin and stamina were real and this is one of the styles that is needed against Foreman who I feel is one of the most overrated champions in heavyweight history ..

 

Crusher?

James "Shake and Bake" Smith had average power, average stamina and he quit more times than I can remember.

Quit against Holmes both times. Quit against Nielsen. Quit against Bugner. They threw him in the Cedric Kushner one-night tournament against the softest draw - three nobodies -- all three fights went the distance and he lost one of them. Couldn't stop or beat Marvis. Couldn't stop or beat Levi Billups. Couldn't stop Jesse Ferguson. Was floored and lost to Lionel Butler. Was floored and lost to a past-it Greg Page (who had already racked up 10 losses himself and dropped Smith, as well).

Hell, Greg Page had a much higher KO percentage than Smith, and nobody called Page "Bonecrusher."

You think Smith is going to hug George Foreman until George was exhausted and then stop him late?

It didn't work against Marvis Frazier but it's going to work against George Foreman?

In 1994, when the "overrated" George Foreman is knocking out Michael Moorer to win the World Title (the same Moorer Smith lost to), a younger "Shake and Bake" Smith is quitting against Nielsen, getting stopped by Lionel Butler and can't stop any pug in the Cedric Kushner tourney or even beat pug Dan Dancuta.

Stop the nonsense.

 

Good analysis on the man known in some circles as James "Hispanic Causing Panic" Smith

 

I have yet to see anyone explain how this strategy is supposed to work. It's not like Foreman was some short stubby armed fighter with a big weight difference and Smith can lean on him. They're almost the same size and Foreman is strong enough to wrestle him back. Oh, and Foreman is going to be punching him too, because it's a boxing match last I checked. Smith is just going to be losing points and losing energy himself trying to wrestle a guy his own size who can rival his strength and getting nailed by sledgehammer blows.