the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Canelo vs Bivol

117-111 Bivol

Canelo only takes 1,2, and 9 with 9 being his clearest round

Some flippable rounds here and there but Bivol won this thing handily

 

Gary Mason vs Mark Wills

1 Mason
2 Mason
3 Wills
4 Mason
5 Wills
6 Mason
7 Wills
8 Mason
9 Mason
10 Mason

97-93 Mason

Not a bad scrap a bit sloppy at times, but Wills gave Mason probably the toughest fight of his career.

 

Kirkland Laing vs Rocky Kelly

1 Laing
2 Laing 10-8 knockdown
3 Kelly
4 Laing
5 Laing wins by TKO

39-36 Laing

Good performance from Laing one of the fights where he was on his game and not inconsistent, Kelly started to get into the fight at the end of the 3rd round when he landed a series of punches. And it looked like it might be a hard nights work for Laing, but Laing landed a peach of a right hand and dropped Kelly for the 2nd time in the 5th round. Kelly got up immediately but the referee decided to end the contest, i think maybe the stoppage a was a tad premature, and i would of liked to have seen Kelly given one more chance, as the fight was getting interesting. But still a good performance from Laing overall.

 

Rubén Olivares vs Kazuyoshi Kanazawa II

1 Even
2 Kanazawa
3 Kanazawa
4 Olivares was that a knockdown Kanazawa scored ?
5 Olivares
6 Olivares
7 Olivares
8 Olivares
9 Kanazawa
10 Olivares
11 Kanazawa
12 Olivares
13 Kanazawa
14 Olivares wins by KO

125-123 Olivares

Great fight especially that memorable 13th round, i felt like Olivares was edging the fight with his aggression, higher work rate, and body punching. But Kanazawa would land some eye catching counters, and occasionally pin Olivares on the ropes and unload on him.

The 13th round reminds me of a quote in a show "You come at the king you best not miss" Kanazawa took a risk and decided to give it everything he had to stop Olivares. He came somewhat close but after that tremendous barrage, Kanazawa was done and had nothing left to survive last 2 rounds.

Great effort though from Kanazawa but Olivares was just a bit too much for him.

 

One of my all-time favourite fights. I had it a bit wider than you did, D, but it was competitive throughout.

Ruben Olivares v Kazuyoshi Kanazawa 2

I think I missed a round when I was watching this a couple of nights ago due to tiredness (and because there were no indicators of which round it was) which messed up my scoring so I had to go back and rescore it.

Regardless, I thought Olivares took over from around the 7th when he turned the match into a full-on firefight. Kanazawa couldn't keep up with the pace Olivares was setting and had to throw more than he was probably comfortable throwing just to stay in the fight. Only in the 13th did I really feel Kanazawa wrestled back any control but he spent himself completely in the process and as soon as the 14th started, it was clear he had nothing left.

Terrific and exhausting battle.

1 10-9 (nice left hook from Ruben edges an otherwise even round)
2 9-10 (close. Kanazawa impressively elusive)
3 10-9
4 9-10 (close)
5 9-10 (close)
6 10-9 (close)
7 10-9
8 10-9
9 10-9 (close. Kanazawa doing a lot of pressing and mauling but Olivares with the cleaner shots)
10 10-9 (close)
11 10-9
12 10-9 (Olivares clearly on top now and Kanazawa seems to be wilting under the pressure)
13 9-10 (sensational round! Kanazawa comes back, going all out to try and stop Olivares but Ruben weathers the storm and comes back at an exhausted Kanazawa)
(126-121)
14 Olivares TKO Kanazawa (a spent Kanazawa is put down 3 times before it's stopped. He had nothing left after the 13th)

 

I had the pleasure of watching this fight in 60 fps high quality, i was really surprised to find such a high quality version. It made it all that much sweeter to watch. I could definitely see how you see it wider, but i did like some Kanazawa's eye catching counters at times. Which may of swayed a few of the rounds for me in his favour, but Olivares definitely had the advantage overall due to his workrate and body punching, although it almost went horribly wrong for him in the 13th round, that was quite an onslaught he survived.

Olivares vs Arguello is also one of my favourite fights aswell, and it's actually Olivares who has a great moment in 12th round i believe ? giving it all he had like Kanazawa did to Olivares in 13th round, but then Arguello KO's him in the next round, strangely quite similar to the Kanazawa fight, except Olivares came out the loser in that one.

 

Fogger, I treat every round like I was holding a carpenter's level. I watch the round fluidly - ever changing - and if that bubble is between the 2 goalposts of the level then it is an even round. I've always disliked the statement that "I will find something one fighter did better." Now you're striving to simply come up with a winner of a round and that axiom - IMO - does not award one fighter but penalizes the other fighter. Of course there are fence-sitters in boxing. Asian and South American judges are notorious for coming up with 7 or 8 even rounds in a 15 rounder. Those are just poor judges, especially when they come up with the same amount of even rounds every fight. It becomes a consistency. They're not judging, they're manipulating. But I digress. Suffice to say if I score it even, it's because I really felt it was.

 

I’m probably on the end of the scale you don’t like — I abhor even rounds and figure if I’m judging a fight my job is to find a winner of every round whenever/however possible.

Just because way more happens in the eighth round of some fight than a feeling-out first round doesn’t mean someone didn’t edge that first round. If one guy lands three jabs and a glancing right and the other lands two rounds, the former won it in my estimation.

A highly competitive 10-round fight can be 100-90 as long as the same fighter edges all 10 rounds, however slightly.

This doesn’t mean I never score a round even but I watch hard to find something to separate the combatants in each round.

 

@scartissue and @Saintpat, thanks for your takes on even rounds. I tend to be more along the lines of the Saintpat way of thinking. I don't abhor them but I do know that no round is truly dead even, except for perhaps no action, feel-out round ones. I try hard to decide upon a round winner but if I have to nit pick to find a winner I will score it as even.

 

We'd be in a sorry state, Pat, if we all had the same criteria. This is what makes judging.

 

D, getting around to this one now.

Derrell Coley v Terrance Alli (NABF welterweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Coley
Round 2: 10-9 Coley
Round 3: 10-9 Alli
Round 4: 10-9 Coley
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Coley
Round 7: 10-9 Coley
Round 8: 10-9 Coley
Round 9: 10-9 Coley
Round 10: 10-9 Coley
Round 11: Coley stops Alli

Total through 10 completed rounds: 99-92 Coley (actual scores not known)

D, outstanding pick. Although a slightly jaded version of Terrance Alli, he was always dangerous. But the sizzling combos from Coley were off the chart before Alli succumbed in the 11th. He was never down but had gotten hurt in the 11th and he was taking them before the ref intervened. Again, terrific fight.

 

As the old saying goes, that’s what makes a horse race — a difference of opinion.

 

Speaking of even rounds @Fogger @Saintpat @scartissue I was looking at an old Carlos Monzon thread here. And I saw Argentian's had a pretty weird way of scoring fights, that if you didn't clearly win the fight they would score it a draw ? Or something along those lines.

 

Here is a semi-explanation of all those draws you will see on a South American's record:

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Eder Jofre 121 lbs drew with Manny Elias 121 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

• Date: 1965-11-05
• Location: Ginásio Estadual do Ibirapuera, Sao Paulo, Sao Paulo, Brazil
• Referee: Antonio Ziravello
• Judge: Fausto Martins Garcia 197-195
• Judge: Olivier Bontempi 198-193
• Judge: Hedeo Kanashiro 196-195

Notes
Fight declared a draw because Jofre did not lead by four points on at least two of the cards per Brazilian scoring.

 

Recently, we've had a bit of discussion on this forum on Mario Martinez. Well, I found this, which I had never seen, and needed to check it out.

Mario Martinez v Rolando Navarrete (10 rounds)

Round 1: 10-9 Martinez
Round 2: 10-9 Martinez
Round 3: 10-8 Martinez (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Martinez
Round 5: Martinez stops Navarrete

Total through 4 completed rounds: 40-35 Martinez (scores unknown)

To begin, Navarrete, the former 130 lb. champ, came in very fit. But he fought sloppily, almost arrogantly, like he had nothing but disdain for this 18 year old kid in front of him. Well he paid the price. Martinez couldn't miss with his lead rights on the southpaw Navarrete and aside from when Martinez would get sucked in on the inside, where Navarrete would rough him up, he dominated throughout. This was Navarrete's last bout before going to prison for 4 years on a **** conviction.