Reading some of the replies in Foreman threads, you would think he fought Lamar Clark in Zaire. They crucify him for gassing in a hot muggy jungle against a slippery, fast, counter puncher, a man often considered the #1 HW of all time. Ruddock gassed against Jaco and Morrison and he gets a pass.
Lots and lots of guys get a pass for gassing out. Seems to me Like some people don't watch fights or watch only one or two of a certain fighter and form their opinions on "common wisdom" spouted by clueless announcers and the press and then perpetuated by the fanbase.
The people who picked GF have a 48-3 lead in the poll, but there are still 3-4 people who picked GF who are bothered that 3 of us think that JBS would beat GF. The majority of the ones who picked GF are confident in their knowledge of boxing and in their pick and don't care that 3 of us picked JBS. Most who are "bothered" seem to be people who are only able to process boxing by looking at BoxRec or reading some fluff magazine article about their hero. Since they don't understand boxing mechanics, they feel threatened that people who do understand the mechanics, can look at a video, see strengths and weaknesses and how they would play into a real boxing match. None of us will always be right, but the ones who know boxing can make an argument that doesn't rely on " he's an "ATG" or "HOF", how can you pick the other guy?", or "he beat this "ATG" "...who cares? Titles don't win fights.
Ali literally stopped dancing because he realized Foreman was faster than he thought. Critical thinking isn't illegal. You do realize nobody takes you seriously right?
All of the idiotic arguments made in favor of Smith show that the people making them do not understand boxing mechanics -your side has claimed Smith can get way with clinching Foreman constantly to tire him out and take him out late. If you understood boxing mechanics you'd know this would be very difficult to do when the opponent is the same size, just as strong, and is constantly shoving you back and sticking a heavy jab in your face. -you claimed your game plan would be for Smith to go right after Foreman in a straight line with no regards for defense. Foreman hits harder, is faster, more accurate, has a wider variety of punches, and contrary to what you claim, has a better chin. Basic math and common sense tells you that Foreman would likely win that slug fest and it would be a foolish game plan. I don't believe anyone said anything about Foreman winning due to his status as a HOF. The vast majority of replies have been about the clash of styles and how Smith is outgunned and outmatched in every category except pacing. Nobody is "bothered" that you picked Smith. I can assure you. Last time I checked this was a debate thread where we discuss why we think x fighter would beat y fighter. If you don't want people replying to you challenging your opinion, maybe don't constantly come back giving more and more opinions on why you think Smith would win? This would also require basic common sense that you seem to sorely lack. I have addressed you 3x and you obviously saw the posts but you kept ignoring them even though you replied to me once and liked posts that quoted me. Do me a favor and do not address me indirectly without replying to me again.
Ali stopped dancing cause Foreman was far better at cutting of the ring than he anticipated. So given the energy he spent in just 1 round to try and evade Foreman by dancing made Ali realize that he wouldn't be able to do that for the entire 15 rounds, that's why he switched tactics. And when I said Foreman was slow, I was mostly talking about his handspeed, not his footspeed or ability to cut of the ring.
Or perhaps you don't. Foreman is neither faster nor more accurate. At his best, Smith has more compact punching, unlike Foreman's looping/telegraphed hooks that one could see coming from a mile away. No proof on who had the better chin.
Point of clarification: I agree that Foreman was quite good at cutting off the ring; his feet were arguably fast. His hands were not. This isn't even a question of boxing knowledge, IMO. On film, they're just not. I assume you were referring to his footwork, and not his handspeed?
Smiths hand speed wasn't in the same galaxy as Frazier or Norton and Foreman was able to block and duck under their punches. Just stop. Do you really think hand speed is going to be a factor when neither guy has fast hands and will be slugging away?
Then I guess 90% of this forum doesn't understand boxing mechanics. And I guess Buster Douglas doesn't either. I trained with him for a half a year. Or my previous coach Greg Wright who was an NABF lightheavyweight champion and has been teaching at gyms for 20+ years. I definitely trust their words over supposed internet trainers like Pat who came up with the dumbest game plan in the history of boxing. Smith was KOd twice, Foreman once after punching himself out. Foremans chin is more proven against a wider variety of punchers. Smith also quit or fought just to survive in many fights. Foreman had deadly accuracy. He could nail guys on the nose, live, solar plexus, temple, kidneys, jaw, etc. You have no idea what you're looking at. He didn't throw wide looping shots until his opponent was badly hurt.
