Tyson as a beast ... Marvis

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

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    Seriously crazy .. always worth another watch ... what the hell was wrong with Joe putting his kid in there with Mike ?

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  2. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mike would have done the same thing to Joe.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Devastating, also noted Jacobs talking about making the fight with Holmes at that stage.
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Possible.
    Just as possible and more probable Joe weathers the storm
    and by the 6th rd Tyson begins to slow and Joe turns the
    tide, slowly grinds him down for a 10th or 11th rd TKO.
    Marvis Frazier wasn't on the same planet as far as skill
    and ability as his father.
    Holmes destroyed Marvis Frazier in similar fashion.
    Would he do the same to Joe? No of course not.
    Marvis Frazier got to where he was by careful match
    making and name recognition.
     
  5. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I very much agree.

    I was just about to post almost exactly what you’ve stated.

    Marvis’ Old Man took harder and more numerous punches from Foreman and kept getting back up.

    I don’t see Tyson landing as big and as often as Foreman did and Joe would obviously cope far better than Marvis if Tyson did sneak a big shot through.

    Meanwhile Joe would still be coming forward, crowding Tyson and meting out his own punishment - Marvis threw nothing to dissuade Tyson at all.
     
  6. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson will land twice as much as Foreman, he's way faster and more accurate.

    No he won't, he has the same faith.
     
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  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe never makes it past round 3.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tyson was more skilled offensively than Foreman and had quicker combos, the uppercut that first hurt Marvis was like the uppercut that lifted Frazier off his feet, Tyson`s uppercuts were better than Foremans and delivered in combos.
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I don’t believe so - Foreman was taller and stronger than Tyson, he used those advantages to keep Joe off him and put Joe into perfect range for his bombs.

    No, again, I don’t believe so. Foreman’s uppercut was clearly more powerful. Tyson was shorter and lesser reached than Foreman, he won’t enjoy the luxury of preventing Joe getting in close and therefore Tyson will not avoid getting hit by Frazier’s own brand of up close and personal fire. -

    As was the case back in Mike’s day, people are often mislead and disproportionately awe struck by Mike’s uber fast successes against much lesser opposition - causing them to make the mistake of extrapolating those successes into similar success against much higher quality comp. - and we saw during Mike’s actual career that the heady projections didn’t always manifest - and not by a long shot - certainly Douglas was afforded all of 90 seconds by many “experts” - that forecast was, shall we say, slightly off.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    It’s actually a shame that Marvis Frazier couldn’t capitalize more on his potential. He was actually a pretty decent fighter
     
  11. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marvis Frazier was no compare to Joe Frazier. just same name. Cannot live up to name of family.
    loss knockout1 round with Larry Holmes. loss knockout 1 round with Mike Tyson.
     
  12. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's irrelevant. Tyson has a completely different style.

    Tyson doesn't need that, he will be more than happy if Frazier comes to him. Tyson will always win an exchange of punches, he's far better at it.

    No proof of that, and even if it was, it's irrelevant. Tyson was better at landing it and more accurate.

    As I've already said, Tyson doesn't need to do that, it's good if Frazier comes to him, it will be like a lamb coming to the slaughter.

    First of all, there's no proof Frazier is higher opposition, he's just a more well known name.
    Second, it's all about styles. If Frazier comes forward, he stands no chance whatsoever.

    Douglas was better prepared than ever and Tyson was not prepared at all. Also, Douglas and Frazier fight in a completely different manner.
    Therefore, that fight is meaningless.
     
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  13. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes would have also beat Joe.
     
  14. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    maybe beat but not knockout 1 round
     
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  15. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    This was Tyson moment to shine. He couldn't take it easy on Marvis, even if he liked him.
    All eyes were on him.