Michael Spinks vs Sonny Liston @ HW

Poor Michael. He might make it 2...










nah.

 

Machen >Spinks at Hw.
Machen has wins over
Quarry
Nino
Bob Baker
Tommy Jackson
Joey Maxim
Brian London
Doug Jones
Draws w Zora and Cleveland
Much deeper then Spinks. And Harold Johnson was a beast with a deeper resume then both imo. Would be a good fight

 

Spinks fought bravely against Tyson, he went right at Mike.

HE DID NOT FIGHT SCARED.

All these idiots that keep saying Spinks was scared, and therefore lost, are full of it and have no idea what they're looking at.


Oh, and I think Spinks would do pretty well against Liston, but eventually gets stopped late. Make no mistake about it, MS would NOT run from him!

 

That would be his doom.

 

Fear manifests itself in various ways. Just because he didn't run from Tyson doesn't mean he didn't fight scared. As a matter of fact it could well equal the opposite. It's well documented the gameplan was to stay away from Tyson for a number of rounds until he lost some of that early sting. Spinks had always followed gameplans brilliantly as witnessed in great tactical wins over Qawi and Holmes.

Was it fear and nerves that led him to completely abandon everything they planned to do when he never had before? Many believe so and it's hardly the belief of "idiots". As a matter of fact it's a reasonable theory particularly given the dressing room stories that got around. Spinks looked awfully tight and slow in there.

As for not running from Liston? He ran from Holmes! Particularly in the rematch in the early rounds. It was strategy 101 against the bigger man. The slower Holmes got the more safe and effective Spinks was in his rapid sneak attacks. It was brilliant. He followed his gameplan to a tee.

Now unless whatever happened to Spinks in the Tyson match happened again against Liston rest assured that Spinks would most certainly be running plenty.

 

Sonny Liston KO wins devastating in the rounds early not more than 4 rounds

 

I should say, without seeing other people's comments here I will make a prediction. wow what matchup.. You have to think Liston would probably stop Spinks in 4 or 5..

 

Bullcrap. So Spinks fights bravely, that means he's fighting scared......Spinks moves around, that means he's fighting scared. You leave no choice. No matter how Spinks fights, he's fighting scared according to you.

 

Spinks against Tyson was an odd matchup.. Spinks didn't know what to do.. I don't know if he had a gameplan in that one... At least once he got in the ring he tried to stay away and maybe let rounds go.

 

While I agree that Michael Spinks has the style and heart to trouble Sonny Liston, it takes more than that for him to survive Liston, let alone beat him. I'm going with an early Liston knockout in this one.

 

I think a prime Sonny Liston is a different kettle of fish than the end of reign Larry Holmes.

Sonny would hunt Spinks down more efficiently than Larry tried to do in the rematch. Especially the 1960-62 version of Sonny.

Spinks was a good mover and far better than Marty Marshall and Eddie Machen. So He does not deserve to be entirely dismissed out of hand.

Stefan Tangstad and Gerry Cooney, at least the versions Spinks fought, were a lot better than given credit for…and level with say some Liston opponents but not perhaps his best ones.

Perhaps consider How does that version of Cooney do with the Floyd Patterson that Sonny fought?

Likewise consider how well that version of Machen does with Tangsted.

But all of this has nothing to do with the clash of style within Sonny and Spinks.

I think Sonny can catch up to Michael. Sonny has the edge. But it’s not a slam dunk.

 

Is English not your first language or are you more than a little on the thick side? I was going to be nice but your post is just too willfully ignorant and obtuse.

You are labeling the entire group, and it's a big one, that opines Spinks was scared "idiots". Well only an absolute idiot would take from my post what you have.

I said nothing about Spinks being scared if he moves around. Open that second eye and have another captain cook.

I described his running from Holmes early as strategy 101 and "brilliant! I commended the man on following his gameplan to a tee, just as he always did until Tyson

But feel free to mention all the times he didn't follow his gameplan. I'll tell you one - Tyson! Feel free to explain to me why Spinks not only failed to follow his gameplan but went completely against it...........for the first time ever in a big fight........when previously he had been FLAWLESS on that front.

Cheers

 

Tbh John, I've always thought that Spinks had in mind to do just that, run and move and get Tyson tired hopefully. But very quickly, realising that he wasn't fast enough, Tyson was quicker and on him like a leach.
So basically he's panicking a little and hitting out.
Which gave Tyson just the target he wanted.
Game over.

 

That too is a solid option Fergy. I'd accept that and i'd also accept that he **** himself and capitulated under the weight of the occasion and threat of Tyson.

This was Emanuel Steward -

"We called, we got the tickets, and by the time we got in the ring and got settled in pretty good Michael Buffer was introducing people and he started to talk about everybody that was in the arena and this and that. I said, “What’s the problem? Why haven’t they announced the fight yet?” I left and went down there and found out that Michael Spinks was down there and he was scared to death. They couldn’t get him to come out of the dressing room. That was the fight that gave Mike Tyson that certification of greatness, but Mike Tyson fought a fighter who was really afraid that night. Nevertheless, that wasn’t Mike Tyson’s fault. He did what he was supposed to do."

 

Yep. Can't blame any fighter really having that fear factor, facing Tyson back then.
Any doubts in your mind before the fight, are just gonna magnify ten fold when your in the ring with him!