Would Jimmy Young have the success against Frazier that he had against the other greats he fought?

Prime Frazier was always motivated and always in shape....Joe walks thru Jimmy Young!!!

 

Getting Joe ready for Ali.

 

this is CRAZY!

How is one handed frazier going to grind down Jimmy when the much larger, more powerful & versatile and two handed Foreman, failed???

 

Finally, someone with some SENSE!

 

I think Jimmy is a cockroach here and makes it no matter how much Frazier turns up the heat. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Young hurt Joe either. I saw a clip not long ago of a shot Machen scoring a would be knock down of Frazier.

 

I'll give you this: Young was a survivor and had excellent defensive skills. But I think that if Frazier doesn't KO him, he wins a decision over a very beaten up Young.

Ali and Ellis couldn't beat Frazier with mobility or defensive skill. Young was more negative than those guys, a better technician than Ali, and definitely a superior survivor to Ellis, but I don't think Young was better overall at fighting a keep-away fight vs Frazier.

 

Because Foreman had bad stamina and lacked Frazier's workrate.

 

Jimmy Young had success in his April 1976 encounter with champion Muhammad Ali. The decision was questionable as Ali was pudgy and sluggish, not even the champion from 1964-1967. In March 1977, Young thoroughly defeated George Foreman by unanimous decision, decking Foreman in the last round to cement the victory. In November of that year, Jimmy lost a very close split decision to Ken Norton in a WBC eliminator in Las Vegas, Nevada. That fight made Norton the WBC champion when champion Leon Spinks refused to accept a challenge by Ken. Against a Joe Frazier who comes at you like a train on a mission, Joe would come straight in, bobbing and weaving connecting to the head and body with his powerful left hooks. As in The Fight Of The Century on March 8 1971 against challenger Muhammad Ali, Joe put immense pressure on Ali throughout the fast paced 15 round title bout, forcing Ali to the ropes very often, punishing him to the body in his hard earned victory. Young though quick and clever is not as fast as Ali, but he is cagey. I see Joe taking Jimmy out by round 10, Frazier just keeps Smoking.

 

Frazier's head movement (one of the best head movements ever in the heavyweight division) would be a big obstacle for Jimmy Young to win by points.
On the other hand, Frazier's pressure would be a big obstacle for Jimmy Young to endure the fight to the end.
Jimmy Young is stylistically a greater danger to Foreman than Frazier.
Jimmy Young would fall between the 12th and 15th rounds at the latest.

 

Did anyone but Shavers ever knock Jimmy Young down? I don’t see Joe doing it.

Earnie stopped him once when he was vastly more experienced (45th fight vs. Young’s 11th) than Young and won a split verdict in a rematch (seven fights later for Jimmy, so still a relative notice). Ron Lyle didn’t do it. Ken Norton didn’t do it. George Foreman didn’t do it.

Jimmy’s durable and wily. Frazier has more problems here than some think. And Norton went to the body well and often vs. Young and still squeaked by (I thought Young clearly deserved the decision).

But Joe is more active to the body and more relentless than a pit bull. So I’m going to go with Frazier outhustling Young for a decision, maybe 9-6 in rounds — but there’s going to be some debatable ones in there and an argument that Young was had by the judges again. I’m going to say it ends up a majority decision with one judge giving Jimmy’s defensive skill and generally peskiness more of the benefit of the doubt.

 

You’ll find my take above, but I want to address one thing — the Frazier of Ali is a different animal than I think we get vs. any other opponent. Joe was seeing red. He freaking hated Ali, and also knew beating Ali would make his bones, so to speak, for eternity.

I can’t see the smoke coming out of Joe’s ears for Jimmy. He’d be dogged and determined and iron-willed, but he wouldn’t be savage.

 

My question would be, is Jimmy Young like Jimmy Ellis style wise? We all saw what Smoking Joe Frazier did to Ellis, Angelo Dundee had to rescue Jimmy, I do not think he had any animosity towards Ellis, only that Jimmy had the WBA crown. Also Ellis hits harder than Young.

 

I'd actually say Jimmy Ellis was more like Muhammad Ali than Jimmy Young, when I watched Ellis/Quarry a few months ago. There was quite a few similarities between the two especially with the movement.

 

There are similarities and differences of course.

Ellis is of course a middleweight who became a small heavyweight. Young was a true heavyweight (not a giant like we have today but he dang sure didn’t spent a significant portion of his career at middleweight.

That’s not to say Joe beat an overblown middleweight in Ellis. The Jimmy from Louisville more than proved his mettle at heavyweight and was, somehow, a better heavyweight than he was a middle. In fact he’s one of my favorite fighters because I find his career arc fascinating. I think this is a better win for Joe than Buster.

But no I never really thought of Jimmy Ellis as a defense-minded guy like Young is. Ellis was much more offense-minded and aggressive, sometimes for the better and occasionally to his detriment.

 

Sorry, completely different styles, Frazier grinds Young up. Young will look good early countering Joe but Young cannot make Frazier take a backward step. Frazier starts grinning around the 5th round and starts to smoke and Jimmy while covering and countering is swamped by the volume. If he makes the distance Young is battered at the end and loses a UD.