Would Jimmy Young have the success against Frazier that he had against the other greats he fought?

-Frazier wasn't 1 handed.

-styles make fights. Frazier's pressure and close range phone booth smothering tactics woudktn give Young time to think and be slick. Pressure and volume will usually give a technical guy nightmares, especially one who lacks punching power like Young. Foreman fought at mid range sand threw more obvious looping bombs one punch at a time.

-that wasn't a prime Foreman , he had changed styles, trainers, fought in a hot outdoor arena, and doubted himself. Despite all that, Foreman got close to taking Young out but blew his chances when he gassed out.

 

Good post.

 

What did Buster Mathis cry to the referee during his title challenge against 5 state champion Joe Frazier on March 4 1968?, Make Him Step Back !

 

The Frazier I saw had no jab, and almost no right hand

Surely Jimmy would have handled such and uncomplicated attack and prevailed

yes, styles make fights but someone's going to have to give a good reason why Jimmy would have had problems with Joe's style when he handled bigger, harder hitting opponents

 

Young had the mobility and durability to hang in there with Frazier but I think Joe’s relentless pressure and swarming style earns him the win

 

Here's Frazier using plenty of jabs and right hands. Throws some nice left uppercuts and right hooks to the body. He even uses some lateral movement.

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It's a complete myth that all Frazier did was charge forward smothering people spamming hooks all day. He wouldn't have won a gold medal, let alone become HW champion if that was the case.

By the way, Frazier dropped Ali even though bigger punchers like Foreman, Liston, and Shavers couldn't. This is why you have to look at styles and not flawed ABC logic. Frazier doesn't need to hit as hard as them to give Young problems. Frazier would not give Young a chance to breath and has beaten several technical boxers like Ali, Ellis, Quarry, Mathis, and Machen. Frazier should be favored based on his abilities and track record.

 

I also saw a claim on a documentary just the other day that Foreman was requested to carry the fight a few rounds.

 

It's also in Foremans biography "By George". Supposedly Don King was worried about his reputation for ending fights early and asked him to take it easy on Young for a while so that the sponsors would have time to air their commercials.

Foreman's body language and change of style make a little more sense if that was the case. I don't think it was entirely due to Gil Clancy's attempt to make him a boxer puncher. Young himself admits Foreman had him out on his feet a few times and has no idea how he survived some of the rounds.

 

Some of those right-hands from Joe; to the body and the uppercuts, were brutal.

 

Young did better against opponents, who allowed him to fight negatively and gave him the opportunity to potshot and spoil.

I don't think any version of Frazier would have afforded Young that kind of playing field. (Unlike Foreman who, for whatever reason, more or less gave Young the latitude and everything he needed to excel).

Had Frazier and Young met in the ring, I'd have expect Frazier to win this - by a Wide UD or a late stoppage.

 

No. Styles. Frazier runs him down.

 

Sooo,,Frazier could handle Muhammed Ali but not Jimmy Young, got it!

 

And that Muhammad Ali was from The Fight Of The Century on March 8 1971, not the Ali that Jimmy Young fought on April 30 1976, he was pudgy slow and on his last legs as a fighter.

 

You can see some good setups with the jab and use of the right hand in Quarry II.