Would Jimmy Young have the success against Frazier that he had against the other greats he fought?

The Frazier I saw had no jab, and almost no right hand

Surely Jimmy would have handled such and uncomplicated attack and prevailed

yes, styles make fights but someone's going to have to give a good reason why Jimmy would have had problems with Joe's style when he handled bigger, harder hitting opponents

 

Young had the mobility and durability to hang in there with Frazier but I think Joe’s relentless pressure and swarming style earns him the win

 

Here's Frazier using plenty of jabs and right hands. Throws some nice left uppercuts and right hooks to the body. He even uses some lateral movement.

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It's a complete myth that all Frazier did was charge forward smothering people spamming hooks all day. He wouldn't have won a gold medal, let alone become HW champion if that was the case.

By the way, Frazier dropped Ali even though bigger punchers like Foreman, Liston, and Shavers couldn't. This is why you have to look at styles and not flawed ABC logic. Frazier doesn't need to hit as hard as them to give Young problems. Frazier would not give Young a chance to breath and has beaten several technical boxers like Ali, Ellis, Quarry, Mathis, and Machen. Frazier should be favored based on his abilities and track record.

 

I also saw a claim on a documentary just the other day that Foreman was requested to carry the fight a few rounds.

 

It's also in Foremans biography "By George". Supposedly Don King was worried about his reputation for ending fights early and asked him to take it easy on Young for a while so that the sponsors would have time to air their commercials.

Foreman's body language and change of style make a little more sense if that was the case. I don't think it was entirely due to Gil Clancy's attempt to make him a boxer puncher. Young himself admits Foreman had him out on his feet a few times and has no idea how he survived some of the rounds.

 

Some of those right-hands from Joe; to the body and the uppercuts, were brutal.

 

Young did better against opponents, who allowed him to fight negatively and gave him the opportunity to potshot and spoil.

I don't think any version of Frazier would have afforded Young that kind of playing field. (Unlike Foreman who, for whatever reason, more or less gave Young the latitude and everything he needed to excel).

Had Frazier and Young met in the ring, I'd have expect Frazier to win this - by a Wide UD or a late stoppage.

 

No. Styles. Frazier runs him down.

 

Sooo,,Frazier could handle Muhammed Ali but not Jimmy Young, got it!

 

And that Muhammad Ali was from The Fight Of The Century on March 8 1971, not the Ali that Jimmy Young fought on April 30 1976, he was pudgy slow and on his last legs as a fighter.

 

You can see some good setups with the jab and use of the right hand in Quarry II.

 

Frazier's relentless output, pressure and intensity would undoubtedly overcome Young I believe.

In fact, the very antidote to Young's own style might well have been the exact style and power that Joe brought to the table.

Young was like a "less is more" type fighter, not overly active in offense but, in balance, accenting on defensive measures to ensure that his opponent connected that much less on him than he did them. Frazier was not at all the type of fighter that type of style/strategy would work on.

Joe's uncomplicated though effective style, along with his aggression, power and durability, were well suited to negating and overcoming the skill sets of even the most elite boxers - and in this case it is reasonably assumed that Young does not even have the punch to at least deter Joe momentarily.

Shavers obviously KO'd Young in their first fight and still managed to drop Jimmy in the rematch (in round 4 I recollect). Frazier's high volume output, accuracy and pressure makes the likelihood of Joe landing his own, single money shots that much greater than was the case for Shavers.

Of course Joe doesn't have to hit quite as hard as Earnie or necessarily land a random Sunday best because he will be landing a lot more shots anyway - and they will all be hard enough, wearing Young down and setting Jimmy up for even more, ever accumulating punishment with each successive round. Joe's a very good chance for later round KO/Stoppage IMO.

 

^ this is why people lose money betting on fights!

No thought process; way too much hype that is not due

 

WHAT ABILITIES?

and Stander in no way remotely boxed like Jimmy

It wasn't until Jimmy upped his game that he went on to whip the cream of the crop; punchers, boxers, champs, ex champs, future champs

Frazier doesn't have the guns to beat Jimmy. Foreman himself didnt have the guns to do it

and Frazier, with his ONE gun wouldn't either because it's one shot at a time

Ali fought stupid in the first fight because he lay on the ropes in too many rounds and played around too much. Had he been in better condition and come in with a better fight plan instead of under estimating Joe (clumsy ugly Frazier will fall in six) the bout would probably be called in Ali's favor.