Was Marvis Frazier That Bad?

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  1. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    So I've only seen his fights against Holmes and Tyson, which were annihilations, but I'm looking at this record and those were his only losses and he has wins against Bugner (who lost to both father and son. any other examples of that in boxing?), Bonecrusher Smith, Quick Tillis and a few other decent heavyweights.

    For those who were following boxing at that time, what is your take on Marvis? How does he rate as a fighter to you?
     
  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Marvis was a solid fighter and by no means bad. As you noted, he beat a decent number of good fighters. In 2022 he would be best at cruiserweight but back then the CW limit was 190 and he was a 200 pound man. He was no match for the best heavies but could have been a champ for awhile at cruiserweight depending on whom he was matched with.
     
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  3. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he was in the wrong weight division. He should have been a cruiserweight.
     
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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wasn’t a bad fighter at all. Got blitzed vs Tyson who I think wanted to make a statement. And was rushed vs Holmes. His resume is decent if limited
     
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  5. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marvis had plenty of talent and beat excellent heavyweights as both an amateur and pro, but was injury prone and often inactive due to injuries, which resulted in him not fully developing as a fighter.
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

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    Jersey Joe Walcott beat Harold Johnson and his father.
    Marvis was ok he just wasn’t his dad
     
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    Good fighter who was ruined by turning him into a pressure fighter and putting him at heavy when he should have been a cruiser.
     
  8. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    Marvis Frazier was good enough to beat future IBF champion James "Bonecrusher" Smith.
     
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  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Marvin Frazier was the best amateur fighter in the world at one point. He was certainly a good fighter though undersized at heavyweight. Joe changing his style didn't help matters. He may have done better with Holmes had he boxed rather than fight like dad.
     
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    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Here's is a good Marvis victory.
     
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  11. Journeyman92

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    It's like a thrift shop FOTC.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    Hey when exactly did Joe change his style? Who trained him?
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    He's a good man. But let's not forget, he faced two ATG s. No shame in losing there.
     
  14. PernellSweetPea

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    Actually he was a very good fighter, just too small at heavyweight. He did well against Bonecrusher.. He was not his father, but who is.
     
  15. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    George Benton had been his trainer in the amateurs. He fought with more finesse. Joe took over as his career was over and Marvis was ready to turn pro. Marvis wasn't as strong as Joe, he didn't have the power or confidence to come forward in thar division. He had heart though.