Lomachenko...

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who is prime Lomachenko ? The one who struggled with Salido ? The one who got dropped by Linares ? Or the one who lost to Lopez ? Because those version aren't much different from the ones that looked like apex predators against Campbell, Commey, and Nakatani. It's just that styles make fights. Loma isn't a god

    Haney is perhaps better than anybody Loma has fought at 135, and certainly better than Lopez. That isn't to say Haney would beat him, because he probably wouldn't, but no version of Lomachenko beats him easily
     
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  2. Braindamage

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    Yeah. Lopez's power made Loma holster his guns for almost 7 rounds. Wouldn't be surprised if Loma is reluctant to throw against Tank.
    I don't see Loma stopping Haney, but I believe Loma beats him.
    Loma embarrasses Kambosos and Garcia.
    I can't call the Tank fight.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tank is overrated. He will lose soon, and he arguably should've lost against Cruz
     
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  4. Braindamage

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    Yeah, he did hurt his hand in the Cruz fight. The verdict is out on him, but I think he is the goods. He just needs to prove it against better opposition.
     
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  5. CleneloAnavarez

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    Not the power alone. He was wary of closing the distance. Lopez was giving hard shots around mid-range.

    Tank is smaller than Lopez and even Lomachenko. Lomachenko wouldn't have to rush Davis, I imagine he would jab Tank silly.
     
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  6. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Just the rematch he is obliged to do,
     
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  7. African Cobra

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    Note to you - **** off you don’t know **** about boxing.
     
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  8. FanManII

    FanManII Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, if we're being honest, his haircut is terrible.
     
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  9. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    You think Haney stops Lomachenko. You think Haney stops Lomachenko.
    Hahahahahaahaha
     
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  10. African Cobra

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    Won’t totally surprise especially when Linares floored him. Haney is the stronger man and bigger man with skills.
     
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  11. Boxed Ears

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    I legitimately believe he loses to each of these more likely than not.
     
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  12. Vegan Beast

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    Loma is so over rated by some people. He still hasn't avenged his lopez loss.
     
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  13. Braindamage

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    Plus Lopez was throwing with Loma. That made it difficult for Loma to use his lateral movement. As far as Loma jabbing Tank silly goes, I think Tank os fast and sharp enough to counter the jab and maybe take it away. If Loma could get Davis to bite on the fients then Davis is in too deep. This is the fight I want to see. Too many variables.
     
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  14. Serge

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    Haney isn't even that skilful. That completely risk averse/safety first stay on the outside low output, slapping with not many actual clean punches landing, jab and grab style isn't just extremely dull and boring to watch, when you compare it to what someone like Loma does in terms of skill it's literally night and day.

    What Loma does is infinitely more watchable, impressive and skilful and he's doing it against prime world champions and top contenders his own size, bigger, giants way bigger heavier and longer who outweigh him by 1, 2 or even 3 divisions.

    Against big punchers/savage punching KO artists much bigger than him, not way smaller shot featherfisted leprechauns who he outweighs by 2 or 3 divisions and has a significant or huge reach advantage over or just much naturally smaller guys because he's rehydrating 20 + pounds and campaigning in a division where's he's a lot bigger than almost all of the other fighters.

    Haney is mortally afraid of getting hit clean by shot featherfisted leprechauns half his size, Loma walks right into the danger zone repeatedly against savage punching KO artists 2 or 3 divisions bigger than him.

    Loma isn't running and immediately grabbing on for dear life everytime you get into punching range or ducking below waist level in mortal fear of getting hit by a shot featherfisted leprechaun half his size or average punchers half his size. Loma is the complete antithesis of risk averse and he literally puts himself in the eye of the storm against prime world champions and top contenders who are way bigger, heavier and longer than him and punch very hard or are savage punching KO artists for a division he doesn't belong.

    He glides in and out of range with the grace and finesse of a ballerina to land with his own shots, making this opponent miss as he's coming in and also as he's sliding back out again. He's simultaneously one of the best offensive and defensive fighters in the game and he's very high output and he throws and lands a ton of clean punches and he has great punch variety.

    Wlad used to get crucified for doing what Haney did the other night even though he did a much better job of doing it and actually landed lots of clean scoring hard shots and would close the show with a spectacular KO.

    No one truly enjoys watching completely risk averse jab and grab low out put octopus grabber runners, let alone ones way bigger and heavier than their opponent and who can't wobble an old lady with their Sunday punch,
     
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  15. hoopsman

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    I agree that Haney's length, speed, and boxing acumen make him a difficult opponent for any version of Lomachenko.

    Whether Haney is better than Teo at 135lbs remains very much up for debate. The power disparity is not, however. Teo hits much harder than Haney, and he's also quite quick off the draw.

    That combination, coupled with Teo's size and physicality, troubled Loma in the early rounds and discouraged him from sliding into that mid range area where he prefers to operate.

    While his jab is indeed superb, Haney lacks that threat of heavy return fire to truly dissaude Loma from venturing in and operating out of that mid range area.
     
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