Mayweather’s schooling of Canelo vs Bivol’s

You have got to be trolling.

 

I didn't mitigate it, I said it sucked.

I scored the fight a few week ago, had it 12-0. It was a pretty easy victory for Mayweather tbh.

 

@shadow111 have you scored the Canelo vs Bivol fight yet, or are you still trying to decide who won round 1?

 

So if it was at 154, and Canelo won a decision 8-4, 7-5, 6-6 you'd say it was 9-3 Mayweather instead of 12-0 Mayweather. I can't take anyone seriously who scored it 12-0 Mayweather. That kind of trolling is laugh in your face crazy. That's riding Mayweather's nuts territory.

 

Let me guess, you had that 12-0 Bivol too? What's the point in arguing with trolls who auto-score every round against Canelo? You and others haven't shown the ability to score rounds so why would I waste my time arguing with morons who don't score rounds, but just automatically score every round for his opponent? There's no reasoning with mental cases. If you grow up and decide to start scoring Canelo fights then let me know. Otherwise it's no use arguing with someone who auto-scores every round against Canelo.

 

What?

If it was at 154 and I thought Canelo won 8-4 then I'd say it was 8-4 Canelo.

Nah I wanted Floyd to lose the fight, I was so disappointed that Canelo didn't walk him down and pressure him. But I didn't really understand Canelos main skillset back then because he obviously tried to pressure Trout, and I watched him cut through the brit switch hitter guy, can't remember his name now. But trying to outbox and counter Floyd didn't work for him at all. Didn't give him a round in their fight.

 

No I had 10-2 or 11-1 Bivol, think it was the latter but haven't checked.

I didn't ask you to argue, I asked you if you'd scored the full fight yet, or if you were still trying to score round 1.

Ive scored every Canelo fight against a ranked opponent, I didn't score every round against Canelo so your criticism doesn't make sense.

But anyways, have you scored the fight yet?

 

Oh OK, so you don't just auto-score rounds against Canelo. It sounds like you do to some extent to have it that wide. 10-2 or 11-1 Bivol? Funny how you want my score but you can't even decide what your score is, if it's 10-2 or 11-1. Both of those scores are far too wide though. As you know, it was a much closer fight than that. I already scored round 1 and gave it to Canelo. But the people I was arguing with were trying to convince me that it was a clear Bivol round or something. If you admit that round 1-4 are debatable and that it's reasonable to score those rounds to Canelo, then perhaps we can discuss them. But it's a non-starter to act like Bivol won each (or most) of those rounds clearly then ask for my score. I gave you my score of round 1. 10-9 Canelo. Is that a reasonable score to you, or isn't it? If it's not, then what's the point trying to debate rounds with someone who auto-scores close rounds against Canelo? Also if I'm not mistaken, you were one of the dumbos who didn't think you could score shoulder shots, and thanks to me, now you know they can be scoed, which Canelo landed a lot of against Bivol which you may have ignored. So maybe you should take another look at it again, and score it properly, with shoulder shots, and realize there's a path to 115-113 Bivol like you did with Canelo GGG 1 when you had it wide for 5 years only to revisit it and finally realize that now you see a path to a draw.

 

I gave Bivol the rounds I thought won, I gave Canelo the rounds I thought he won. I checked, it was 11-1. But you don't know if that's too wide since you haven't scored it yet.

I don't want to debate the fight with you, I'm asking you if you have scored it.

I've never debated shoulders with you, ever, so you are mistaken. But have you scored the fight?

I scored Golovkin Canelo 9-3, you finally accepted 8-4 Golovkin, but that's not what my question is, my question is have you scored the Bivol fight yet?

 

Yeah unfortunately he couldn't be at his best due to Floyd's catchweight and could only muster up a MD loss. Still did well I thought under the circumstances but to beat Floyd he would have needed to be at his best, which he couldn't be due to being drained and at a psychological disadvantage. Hell he still did better than Pacquiao did against Floyd, and as well as Maidana did on the cards. Not too shabby for a drained 23 year old against the P4P #1. But not giving him a round, again shows that you auto-scored rounds for Floyd so why would I want to debate with someone who auto-scores rounds against Canelo? Start learning how to score, then we can talk. (and again, against Floyd Canelo landed many shoulder shots on Floyd which many fans obviously ignored since they didn't know shoulder shots could be scored)

If you count shoulder shots and don't auto-score rounds for Floyd, you can easily end up with somewhere between 9-3 and 7-5 Floyd. But you have to pay close attention, score shoulder shots, count successful feints as ring generalship, value hard/clean power punches over light jabs, value body shots, etc. Counting hits like in the amateurs won't cut it in professional boxing scoring.

 

When I watched it live I didn't really score it, I was at a watch party and was just enjoying the action, not really thinking about the scoring. I thought the judges had it about right. I expected it to be something like 116-112 Bivol, maybe with 1 or 2 round that could go either way. So I thought 115-113 was reasonable. I knew the early rounds were close and that round 9 was a clear Canelo round. Besides that I thought Bivol would probably win the rest of the rounds, and which was confirmed by the judges cards. So I didn't personally sit down and rewatch every round again because I didn't think it was important. It seemed that the only rounds that people really disagreed over were rounds 1-4, so those were the only rounds that needed to be analyzed, starting with round 1. Outside of a couple fans who scored round 6 and 10 to Canelo, most (the vast majority) seemed to agree that Bivol won 5-8 & 10-12 and Canelo won round 9. So I don't think it's important that I go back and score those rounds since most people seem to agree on those. It's really just about scoring rounds 1-4, the rounds that fans disagree about, so that's where my focus is.

 

He was past his prime. He had clearly lost a bit of speed

Or Maybe it's because Mayweather was leagues more of a well known boxing superstar vompsred to Bivol

A difference of 1½ pounds from your last fight will affect you that much ? All you do is nitpick information.

Fact - Canelo had to cut less than a couple of pounds compared to his last fight.

Fact - Canelo was actually 166 against Mayweather

Fact - Canelo had several months to cut 2 pounds

Fact - Mayweather won 9 clear rounds off of him. Canelo didn't perform like he was weight drained. Canelo just got severely outskilled

 

That's not a fact that's an opinion. One judge had Mayweather winning 9, another only had him winning 8, and Ross had him infamously only winning 6. Mayweather only won a handful of rounds clearly. (3 or 4) The other 8 or so were extremely close. Canelo arguably didn't win a single round clearly, but there were many close hard to score rounds that could have gone either way. People who claim Mayweather dominated are just auto-scoring close rounds for Mayweather.

But yes Canelo did get outskilled. Mayweather was on another level that night, but it was not without fault. Canelo did have some success, just not enough to win a decision. Canelo wasn't able to fight at his normal level because he was drained. He fought well enough to keep it close and give Floyd a run for his $$, but he didn't perform at his best, at his best he doesn't get hit with as many clean shots as Floyd landed on him.

The 154 version of Canelo that fought Trout for example, would have done much better. He wasn't drained in that one and we saw what happened to Trout. On the night, Floyd was at his best, Canelo not so much. But still it was close, that tells you a lot. A weakened Canelo won that many rounds on Floyd. Imagine what a fully fit Canelo would have done to Floyd. It's scary to think about, but Floyd wouldn't let it happen. He was just too scared to fight Canelo in a fair fight, and it's obvious why. Floyd needed weight restrictions to beat Canelo.

 

To you. The reality is your a boneheaded Canelo blinded by otherworldly powerful bias and your opinions on such matters has less worth than a summer mosquito. For example, you agree with the judges scoring Canelo/Bivol, when Bivol schooled him. The fight was nearly onesided 9-3 or 8-4 if you want to be extremely generous to Canelo. 115-113 is an absolutely atrocious score card, like most Canelo scorecards

Is there any evidence that Canelo was even maginally affected by the 2 pound cut ? Or did Mayweather just beat him soundly ? Like he does to most opponents. You can see the affect weight draining had on Lopez, Toney, and Taylor. I can't see the affect it had on Canelo, Mayweather was just in a different dimension of skill

 

There were many hard to score rounds. Splitting them and having it about 9-3/8-4 as the judges had it (minus Ross) seemed reasonable to me. Maybe 10-2 or 7-5 could be argued but that's a stretch. 6-6 was ridiculous but again if you really wanted to find 6 rounds for Canelo you could, but that's being very favorable to Canelo. I don't consder 9-3 or 8-4 favorable to Canelo. You had several swing rounds that were difficult to score. 10-2 or wider is being very generous to Mayweather, that's just auto-scoring Mayweather almost every round, even close rounds.

Of course it's a little of both, Mayweather performing at a high level and Canelo being affected by the weight drain. And it makes sense when you see how much success Canelo went on to have. He has never been hit clean as much as he was hit against Floyd, sure that had a lot to do with Floyd being on his game and landing some great shots, but it's also a sign of having below average defense. That happens when you cut weight and you don't have your normal concentration. Look at how much of a sitting duck Kambosos was against Haney. Is it a coincidence that George missed weight there too and had to re-weight? When you miss weight, when you're starving yourself to make weight, your defense and concentration is affected, and often, as a result, you end up getting hit more than normal on the night.