Mayweather’s schooling of Canelo vs Bivol’s

Bivol’s win was much more impressive. He was a heavy underdog and Canelo wasn’t the face of boxing when he fought Floyd. Plus Canelo was drained in that fight. He was not prime yet and was the underdog. No one expected him to beat Floyd but almost everyone expected him to beat Bivol.

Bivol dominated and outboxed him more thoroughly than Floyd. And Bivol gladly agreed to a rematch. Floyd, not so much.

 

I found a chump who doesn't score shoulder shots criticising people for crediting Golovkin with a solid shoulder bomb. I tagged you in the post.

I don't need to debate the fight, everyone agrees it was a clear Bivol won. I was just asking if you'd scored it, you've answered now. You haven't.

 

And about Round 1? Do you consider that a close round? Is it reasonable to give Canelo that round?

 

There's isn't a lot in the first 4 rounds. People can score them however they like. Giving all to Canelo is a bit, how do you define it again, auto scoring.

 

I never said it was unfair.

I said how much over the goddamn limit does Canelo need to be for you guys to stop whining about the weight?

You're the one making excuses for a guy who was a Super Middleweight when the bell rang, claiming he was dehydrated and starving.

It's nonsense.

Mayweather has the better win.

Bivol wasn't 36 (like Floyd). Bivol wasn't giving up 10 pounds (like Floyd). Bivol wasn't fighting in his fifth weight division (like Floyd). One of the judges didn't actually give Canelo a draw against Bivol (like they did with Floyd).

 

Oh OK, well auto-scoring would be more like giving every round (or almost every round) to a fighter in a close fight. Then argue that it was a schooling or a domination or something.

 

Bivol wasn't 36, but Canelo was P4P #1. At 36 Mayweather was P4P #1. So you're trying to act like 36 year old Mayweather wasn't P4P #1. Bivol was a better win, he beat the P4P #1 and he didn't need to drain Canelo to do it. Granted Canelo was slower than usual fighting at 175, but it was still a better version than drained 152-lb psychologically tormented Canelo. Canelo was fringe P4P Top 10 when Mayweather beat him. Mayweather was a heavy favorite, while Bivol beating Canelo was a pretty big upset. The 2 can't really be compared. Bivol was the bigger win, hands down. Canelo was only 23, not in his prime, and drained when Floyd beat him. And the way Bivol performed and dispatched of a better more seasoned P4P #1 Canelo was more impressive.

 

So like 4 rounds in having Canelo 4 rounds up?

 

Pound for pound? WTF? Now you're trotting out make-believe fantasy rankings? Who gives a **** about P4P?

I'm talking about the actual fights, and you want to talk about ANYTHING BUT the fights.

A 36-year-old junior middleweight fighting a super middleweight in a junior middleweight unification and easily beating him ...

Is CLEARLY more impressive than a longtime light heavyweight champion defending against a challenger moving up.

What physical "disadvantages" did Bivol have against Canelo? They're the same age. They weigh the same. Canelo wasn't taller.

 

Not necessarily. If Canelo did enough to win those rounds, then there's nothing wrong with that. It's a harder argument to score those rounds for Bivol, because he wasn't landing clean, and Canelo was landing the heavier more eye catching punches, Canelo was the effective aggressor, the ring general, etc. But we've been over that haven't we. The people who scored 1-4 for Bivol were doing so because he was throwing more punches, not that he was landing better or more effective than Canelo.

To compare it to Canelo GGG when we discussed hard to score rounds, it's not the same thing, because Canelo wasn't loading up on GGG as much in rounds 1-6 of fight 1 and he wasn't landing the kind of bombs he landed on Bivol in rounds 1-4 on GGG, and GGG didn't have his back against the ropes like Bivol did in rounds 1-4, etc. Canelo was clearly the ring general and the effective aggressor in round 1 vs Bivol, for example, while that wasn't the case vs GGG making those GGG rounds harder to score.

 

Canelo wasn't a Super Middleweight when he fought Floyd. He was a 152-lber. News flash : What weight class you are in when you fight is determined by your weigh-in weight, not your fight night weight.

I didn't say Bivol had any physical disadvantages against Canelo. He clearly had physical advantages of being more accustomed to that weight than Canelo who was moving up to 175. But it was still a better version, albeit slower and with gassing issues, but seasoned and more experiencd, than the drained unhealthy 152-lb young pup that fought Floyd.

 

That's where you are confused. Canelo actually weighed 165 when he stepped in the ring and fought Floyd.

You must've missed that while you were wearing a veil and lighting candles in a nearby church praying for a miracle for the starving, emaciated Pagan baby Canelo ...

But, IT WORKED. He was a full super middleweight when the bell rang.

Can you imagine the outrage if Floyd demanded Canelo couldn't rehydrate above junior middleweight?

Canelo ACTUALLY fighting at 154? OMG. The OUTRAGE that would've elicited.

How could a junior middleweight champ be expected to be a junior middleweight when defending the junior middleweight title? It's outrageous, I tell you.

Simply outrageous.

 

You wouldn't know since you haven't even scored any round past round 1.

 

I don't have to score it to know what happened in the rounds and how they differed from the "hard to score" rounds in Canelo GGG 1. Not only did I watch it live, but I also am aware of how well Canelo did in round 1. It just so happens that several posters made the argument that Canelo has an even stronger argument for winning rounds 2-4 than he does Round 1. So if I've already given Round 1 to Canelo, and if fans say that Round 1 was a better Bivol round than rounds 2-4 then you do the math.

 

Sorry I didn't acknowledge any of the post beyond "I don't have to score it"